Scunthorpe Scorpions Vs Edinburgh Monarchs ( P L) - Sunday, July 17th (6.30pm)

[Shadders]

Still one of the best individual rides ive ever seen that,great skill on a bike

Pleased to say I witnessed it first hand. Still can't believe how much ground he made up

[montie]

Pleased to say I witnessed it first hand. Still can't believe how much ground he made up

Ricky never got the credit he deserved as a rider...was often unfairly tagged as a one track pony(Sheff)..simply wasnt the case...

[SCB]

Two days on and reflecting on Sundays brilliant racing and every bit as good as I thought it was !. Infact it's better than I thought. You will never see a non passing race as good as that one, Even if you turned up at a track every night at a speedway for the next 100 years.! All four riders were almost in unison going round and it was blanket stuff all the way. Look beyond the final result 44-45 (subject to stewards enquiry-Mitch Davey?).

 

There were no losers at Scunny on Sunday only winners if you were there. Scunthorpe Speedway the track that just KEEPS ON GIVING !

Peterborough vs Coventry 2011, heat 15. 42-42. Peterborough gated on a 5-1 and all 4 riders spent the next 4 laps inches from 1st/4th. The two Bees scraping the fence and the two Panthers riding the kerb. Once the race was over nobody knew who had finished in what position.

 

That Scunny one is a very, very close second though!

 

This is a photo taken on the finish line!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150233933366539&set=a.10150233933346539.359387.700656538&type=3&theater

 

edit> Technically, I'm wrong, as Fisher did pass Batch on the line so there was a pass.

Edited July 20, 2016 by SCB

[Ben91]

Not sure what all the confusion is about, Davey has previously held an average of over four points in the Premier League, that makes him ineligible to guest as a NL guest in the PL. Scunny have every right to be protesting as far as I can see.

[Fromafar]

Not sure what all the confusion is about, Davey has previously held an average of over four points in the Premier League, that makes him ineligible to guest as a NL guest in the PL. Scunny have every right to be protesting as far as I can see.

You don't understand the Speedway Rule Book,it's make it up as you go along with 101 interpretations of every rule.

[yoda]

Not sure what all the confusion is about, Davey has previously held an average of over four points in the Premier League, that makes him ineligible to guest as a NL guest in the PL. Scunny have every right to be protesting as far as I can see.

then can someone explain how mitch is now a 3.00 rider ?

 

and is on the green sheets average eligible to guest

 

think the appeal will go in Edinburgh's favour

 

 

[Shadders]

Ricky never got the credit he deserved as a rider...was often unfairly tagged as a one track pony(Sheff)..simply wasnt the case...

I remember him at Rye in his earlier days, shocking. Towards the end of his career he'd sussed it out though and was pretty handy there

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

then can someone explain how mitch is now a 3.00 rider ?

 

and is on the green sheets average eligible to guest

 

think the appeal will go in Edinburgh's favour

 

 

British citizen

 

Possible mistake as it's in Black and White that he does not meet the criteria for it.

[Ben91]

then can someone explain how mitch is now a 3.00 rider ?

 

and is on the green sheets average eligible to guest

 

think the appeal will go in Edinburgh's favour

 

 

Because since he had an average over four he got worse. He may not have the PL NEG next to his name on the greensheets or whatever it is supposed to say but the rules state that a rider who has previously held a PL average of over four is not eligible as a NL only guest in the PL and Davey has held an average of over four.

[Fromafar]

then can someone explain how mitch is now a 3.00 rider ?

 

and is on the green sheets average eligible to guest

 

think the appeal will go in Edinburgh's favour

 

think you are correct Edinburgh have done nothing wrong according to Green Sheet.

My theory is Mitch had a 4 pt AV as an Aussie now he's aBrit he gets to start again on a 3.

(Tongue in cheek).

[King Jamie]

Not sure what all the confusion is about, Davey has previously held an average of over four points in the Premier League, that makes him ineligible to guest as a NL guest in the PL. Scunny have every right to be protesting as far as I can see.

that would depend solely on whether or not Edinburgh were only entitled to an NL guest.

 

if the BSPA say Scunny vs. Monarchs is rearranged, therefore Daniel Bewley must ride at Buxton vs. Belle Vue, is it not only fair the facility available should be a 'guest' (in accordance with the "absent 6 or 7" part of the rule) as opposed to being restricted to picking from just NL riders?

[lucifer sam]

that would depend solely on whether or not Edinburgh were only entitled to an NL guest.

 

if the BSPA say Scunny vs. Monarchs is rearranged, therefore Daniel Bewley must ride at Buxton vs. Belle Vue, is it not only fair the facility available should be a 'guest' (in accordance with the "absent 6 or 7" part of the rule) as opposed to being restricted to picking from just NL riders?

 

But Bewley should have been at Scunthorpe:

 

19.9.3 Where a rider is additionally declared in a PL and/or EL Team, the EL and/or PL Team shall have priority, except that a rider nominated for the NLRC must appear in the NLRC.

 

So NL guest only according to 18.10 e). And Davey isn't eligible for that - his 2009 Glasgow figures are proof of that.

 

Or did the NLRC take place at Buxton on Sunday without anyone noticing?

 

All the best

Rob

[King Jamie]

 

But Bewley should have been at Scunthorpe:

 

19.9.3 Where a rider is additionally declared in a PL and/or EL Team, the EL and/or PL Team shall have priority, except that a rider nominated for the NLRC must appear in the NLRC.

 

So NL guest only according to 18.10 e). And Davey isn't eligible for that - his 2009 Glasgow figures are proof of that.

 

Or did the NLRC take place at Buxton on Sunday without anyone noticing?

 

All the best

Rob

i'm not doubting what the ambiguous rule book says. i'm simply using the scenario which has been mentioned on here earlier i.e. the BSPA inform the Monarchs that Daniel Bewley must ride at Buxton. regardless of whether that is correct or otherwise, it's hardly Edinburgh's fault he can't ride for them that day, is it?

 

therefore a 'proper' guest, as opposed to an NL guest, should, logically, be the facility. or are the Champions supposed to say to the BSPA, "shove your decision, we disagree with it, Daniel's riding for us or we take our ball back ya bunch of numpties"?

[lucifer sam]

i'm not doubting what the ambiguous rule book says. i'm simply using the scenario which has been mentioned on here earlier i.e. the BSPA inform the Monarchs that Daniel Bewley must ride at Buxton. regardless of whether that is correct or otherwise, it's hardly Edinburgh's fault he can't ride for them that day, is it?

 

 

Actually what it says on the BSPA website is:

 

Campbell said: “The BSPA issue National League green sheets which clearly indicate Mitchell was eligible. That’s what we all work from.”

 

So Edinburgh were booking Davey as a NL guest.

 

Which is an ignorance-is-bliss approach, rather than spending two minutes on the BSPA website... as I did, and found a past 4.23 PL average for Mitchell Davey during the course of 2009.

 

And last year, Alex Davies was issued the wrong GSA, just before Scunthorpe went to Edinburgh. Did the Monarchs say "we all work from the green sheets" or come the night, did Scunthorpe have to change around their side, moving up Alex Davies from reserve to up in the team?

 

The error was pointed out prior to the meeting (although how on earth the usually astute Monarchs management thought Mitchell Davey could be eligible is beyond me) , with Scunthorpe following procedures, so therefore the Monarchs should have reverted to using e.g. Layne Cupitt who was there for the second half.

 

All the best

Rob

Edited July 20, 2016 by lucifer sam

[IronScorpion]

There was also the fact that there was an edited press release from Edinburgh at nearly half past midnight on Saturday night/Sunday morning. Were they hoping that the release was too late for checks to be made.

 

There is, also, the point that the previous BSPA Chairman is Alan Harkess who should know most of the rules/corners to take, in submitting teams

[Shadders]

There was also the fact that there was an edited press release from Edinburgh at nearly half past midnight on Saturday night/Sunday morning. Were they hoping that the release was too late for checks to be made.

 

There is, also, the point that the previous BSPA Chairman is Alan Harkess who should know most of the rules/corners to take, in submitting teams

All rests on IF Bewley was instructed to race for Belle Vue by the BSPA and when Edinburgh for told he'd have to.

When it's known how much time Edinburgh had to find a replacement is the defining factor

Edited July 20, 2016 by Shads

[yoda]

There was also the fact that there was an edited press release from Edinburgh at nearly half past midnight on Saturday night/Sunday morning. Were they hoping that the release was too late for checks to be made.

 

There is, also, the point that the previous BSPA Chairman is Alan Harkess who should know most of the rules/corners to take, in submitting teams

Alan ???

 

Don't you mean Alex

 

He was only chairman for 6 years understandable how you got his name wrong

[phillipsr]

Alan ???

 

Don't you mean Alex

 

He was only chairman for 6 years understandable how you got his name wrong

Being chairman during a massove decline in Speedway is hardly a badge of honour.. If i was him id hope people got my name wrong so i could pretend it was someone else

[cyclone]

 

But Bewley should have been at Scunthorpe:

 

19.9.3 Where a rider is additionally declared in a PL and/or EL Team, the EL and/or PL Team shall have priority, except that a rider nominated for the NLRC must appear in the NLRC.

 

So NL guest only according to 18.10 e). And Davey isn't eligible for that - his 2009 Glasgow figures are proof of that.

 

Or did the NLRC take place at Buxton on Sunday without anyone noticing?

 

All the best

Rob

Which contradicts this:-

 

16. FIXTURES, MATCH AVERAGES and GENERAL RULES

The authority of the SCB and BSPA extends over all Meetings listed on the Official BSPA produced and maintained Fixture List.

Changes, including Fixture re-stagings must be approved by the BSPA and no Meeting may be staged unless on the Fixture List.

 

16.1 Fixtures shall take priority as follows:

FIM SGP, SWC, SGP Qualifying Meetings, FIM Junior Speedway Championship Meetings

British Championships (Senior, Junior), BSPA Shared and Fee Events

Official Competitions: 1. Elite League; 2. Premier League; 3.National League.

NB. Non-Official Competitions have no priority over any of the above.

 

A Rider must be released to take part in a higher priority Meeting, unless he is “Doubling Up” or is an “EDR, in which case the priority for a clash of Official Meetings is as follows:

 

16.1.1 The “owning” Club (ie. on Club’s Retained List) or before the start of the Season was

transferred with the full Transfer Fee being paid.

16.1.2 If neither Club has “ownership”, then it is determined by the League status of the Club that

does “own” the rider. If that Club is a NL Club then agreement can be made otherwise Art.16.1 applies.

16.1.3 The Original Fixture if there is a clash with a re-Arranged Fixture

16.1.4 A Transfer during the Season does not change this priority.

 

18. PREMIER LEAGUE MEETING REGULATIONS

18.10 FACILITIES

a1) Absent #1: G or RR

a2) Absent D-U or EDR (if riding for the “other” team) G or RR

b ) 1 Absent rider (2 – 5): RR

c) More than 1 Absent rider (1 - 5) 1 x RR facility and G for all others

d) Absent #6 or #7: G

e) “No Facility”: NL G*

 

NL G*: a rider eligible for a NL Team who has never achieved an actual PL MA of 4.00 or above

 

18.11.3 The Guest must be in a current Team Declaration and have an MA that is the same or lower than that of the absent rider. If a replacement EL rider also has a current PL MA then the higher of the MA’s will dictate the eligibility.

18.11.4 The Guest assumes the position and MA of the Missing rider.

 

Buxton vs B.V. Colts was an Original Fixture, whereas Scunthorpe vs Edinburgh was a Re-Arranged Fixture.

 

Dan Bewley is a Doubling Up rider with BV Colts & Edinburgh

 

Under the Regulations, Belle Vue Colts had priority for the services of Dan Bewley as “Doubling Up” rider, per 16.1.3

 

Therefore Edinburgh were entitled to a Guest Facility as per 18.10.d) for #7 and did not require to be a rider eligible for a NL Team who has never achieved an actual PL MA of 4.00 or above

 

Mitchell Davey is an Edinburgh asset, UK Passport Holder currently riding for Coventry Storm in the National League, and who previously rode for Edinburgh in Premier League in 2013 and his Final PL GSA was 3.00

 

 

 

Mitchell Davey was therefore eligible to Guest for Edinburgh at Scunthorpe in place of Dan Bewley, at no 7 as he met the criteria of 18.11.3 & 18.11.4 of the Regulations

Edited July 21, 2016 by cyclone

[montie]

 

There is, also, the point that the previous BSPA Chairman is Alan Harkess who should know most of the rules/corners to take, in submitting teams

Alan.?

 

 

 

;-)