Trees Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 it would only hinder fuel flow on direct injection fuel system , speedway uses carbs so the tank fills the float chamber , a float chamber is enough to run a bike for 1/2 lap with fuel supply completely cut off , so even a reduced flow would still fill the float chamber faster than the engine can use it , so imo the sponge was used for fuel additive or water depending on who put it in and also iversen would of noticed the bike hesitating if it was fuel starvation , water in fuel would just make it feel slowWhich it was ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Which it was ...... I think slower than 3 points at GP level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Sponge is also an amateur and crude way of getting additive (nitro or similar) into the fuel system when the fuel is supplied by a regulated source This was my thinking. The sponge itself is a red herring, the issue is what the sponge was soaked in, good or bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 This was my thinking. The sponge itself is a red herring, the issue is what the sponge was soaked in, good or bad! The performance suggests something to hinder performance. But like others have said, why NKI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) The performance suggests something to hinder performance. But like others have said, why NKI? he beat pedersen King and Harris and fell in another while 3rd not quite a hampered performance on a small track where power isn't King and surely he used more than one bike , he also has a poor performance in Warsaw , similar track to cardiff Edited July 14, 2016 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 yes water would be OK to slow a bike down without engine damage , what I want to know is who found these sponges at Coventry , his team or the machine examiner ? , if it was the latter then the "I don't know how they got in there" sounds like the plea of a guilty man but if it was his team then it's got to be sabatage in some way Some riders in days gone by , added water or oil to the Meth to flatten the engine on slick tracks and actually went faster . methanol is hygroscopic and contains water anyway . it would require a large amount addded , to affect performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 The performance suggests something to hinder performance. But like others have said, why NKI? Far East betting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 This all seems very strange. I really don't see how sponge itself could be a significant hindrance. Surely it would float on top of the fuel and not really be in danger of causing fuel starvation. Maybe if the fuel ran very low in the tank it could cause a blockage? But if it was an act of sabotage then I would have thought the likes of Sugar/Salt/Sand would be more effective than sponge, and the small salt/sugar particles would be harder to spot than a piece of sponge which is going to be found at some point. Of course there could be something soaked into the sponge to hinder performance, but again I would suggest it would be just as easy to drop some sugar/salt/sand into the tank as it is to drop a sponge in...and probably more effective. The alternative is that the sponge is soaked in something to improve performance and NKI only feigned surprise when he was caught. Again though, surely there would be a more simple way to get an additive into the tank, and if it was meant to be a performance enhancing addition, it didn't work! On top of all this, why would anyone want to sabotage NKI? He's not a threat at the top of the GP standings. Also Cardiff isn't a horsepower track, to any attempts to improve or hinder engine performance would be less significant than at some other tracks. The only other posibility is that the sponge got in there by accident. Could it be some sponge seal in the cap of a fuel container that fell in by accident? All seems very odd... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Far East betting ? the bookies would have picked that up , they know where speedway betting will come from and how bets will be made , try to put a large bet on Harris to be world champ with online bookies and your betting will be vetted , so if ting tong from ping pong suddenly bets £10000 on iversen to score less than 5 , alarm bells would be raised 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 the bookies would have picked that up , they know where speedway betting will come from and how bets will be made , try to put a large bet on Harris to be world champ with online bookies and your betting will be vetted , so if ting tong from ping pong suddenly bets £10000 on iversen to score less than 5 , alarm bells would be raised are you name dropping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 I got suspicious when I saw a couple of Chinese people in a takeaway so I put 2+2 together 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 so I put 2+2 together 2 and 2? That's one big pile of rice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 I put a bet on NKI scoring lower than 9 points in Beat The Bookie GP comp, but it was not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Hope your pants aren't on fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 maybe he is making an excuse so his Uk sponsors dont think you are rubbish.. although we know he isnt.. and is actually a very good rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 the bookies would have picked that up , they know where speedway betting will come from and how bets will be made , try to put a large bet on Harris to be world champ with online bookies and your betting will be vetted , so if ting tong from ping pong suddenly bets £10000 on iversen to score less than 5 , alarm bells would be raised I just had to laugh. :rofl: :rofl: Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Try one of those chain spray lids full of water, to a tank of methanol, perfect ratio for a really slick track, learn't that one from a former World no2, OK, you've got to know what timing and jetting to use, but it works a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no-brakes-uk Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 So far, all the theories I've seen on this are full of holes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Is there anychance someone with a speedway machine can go through some tests to see if it has any effect at all in slowing the bike down or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Trouble is if it was soaked in anything or not ... we thought a test could be done but may not prove anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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