KEITH M Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 How soon is soon?! After the top officials and hierarchy have booked all the cheaper rates at the hotels in Cardiff 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 After the top officials and hierarchy have booked all the cheaper rates at the hotels in Cardiff ARE there any cheaper rooms? Had expected an announcement today but it cannot be far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 HAD better options including Teterow... WHAT movement of staff? SORRY Russ but you are wrong. Next time we have a pint I will give you chapter and verse. Fair enough mate. Probably just sour grapes on my behalf! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin man 76 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Speedway Grand Prix 2017: GP1. Warsaw GP2. Krsko GP3. Malilla GP4. Praga GP5. Horsens GP6. Cardiff GP7. Gorzów Wlkp. GP8. Sztokholm GP9. Teterow GP10. Toruń GP11. Melbourne If that list is to be taken as definitive, it seems that BSI/IMG have spent the past twelve months doing nothing other than renegotiating deals with existing venues, rather than looking at ways and means of growing the series. In all honesty does the sport really need three GPs in Poland and two in Sweden? In reality BSI/IMG are doing little to promote the sport in different market places and are content to do little more than collect their staging fees and sell television rights contracts. The organisation of the series is stale, with seemingly little new thought going into promotion and marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Entitled to your opinion but I really think it's hard to call it stale. The racing has been superb this year. Having been to Cardiff & Warsaw I can only describe them as superb spectacles. Although I'm in favor of new venues I will also hold my hands up and say they have a good mix of great stadiums and tracks now. I don't like there being 3 Polish GPs but the fact is, Warsaw was great, Gorzow was (again) great and I've never seen a bad GP at Torun. So how can you really argue with that. In my opinion (worth nothing of course) we're two riders short of it being the best series possible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin man 76 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I wouldn't disagree that the action on track has been entertaining this year. This aspect of the GPs is not stale. In my earlier comment, I was really criticising the staleness of thought behind the whole series. There is little by way of innovation of thought, to promote the series above and beyond core speedway countries and core speedway fans. The same venues are being recycled. For instance, I cannot seriously believe that Teterow is the best venue that IMG/BSI could source in Germany to stage a GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 In their defense though, it's not an uncommon scenario. Venues for F1 for example are the same year in year out.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) I wouldn't disagree that the action on track has been entertaining this year. This aspect of the GPs is not stale. In my earlier comment, I was really criticising the staleness of thought behind the whole series. There is little by way of innovation of thought, to promote the series above and beyond core speedway countries and core speedway fans. The same venues are being recycled. For instance, I cannot seriously believe that Teterow is the best venue that IMG/BSI could source in Germany to stage a GP. While I agree in general. The issue is still not about finding a better venue. I, like you, is also convinced that there are better tracks/arenas for the purpose but the issue still is to find a local promoter that it is willing to shell out the money that BSI+FIm requires in conjunction with taking the financial risk should the event not be profitable. Edited September 16, 2016 by Ghostwalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 For instance, I cannot seriously believe that Teterow is the best venue that IMG/BSI could source in Germany to stage a GP. Of course not, but it's the only one apparently willing to put up the readies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin man 76 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) Of course not, but it's the only one apparently willing to put up the readies. In my opinion, there in lies the problem with the series. IMG/BSI are happy to milk the sport for as much as they can in staging fees without actively looking at the wider picture, which would perhaps result in lower staging fees and a concerted strategy to get more spectators into a wider range of venues. Edited September 16, 2016 by moomin man 76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Teterow is an embarrassment for the series. The new Terezano. Crap track with no facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Finland was exactly about the bigger picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Teterow is an embarrassment for the series. The new Terezano. Crap track with no facilities.The lack of stewarding led to crowd disorder, fighting & people spilling on to the track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Teterow is an embarrassment for the series. The new Terezano. Crap track with no facilities. FAR better track than Terezano. Not an embarrassment at all. Not all 11 rounds can be in mega stadiums, an eclectic mix is great for the series. I was only there as a spectator and had a great time. The lack of stewarding led to crowd disorder, fighting & people spilling on to the track THAT was true but by the end of a long, very hot day and countless beers it was probably inevitable. No re;l harm done and the stewarding (or lack of it) is an issue that will be addressed should the series return there in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1234 Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 FAR better track than Terezano. Not an embarrassment at all. Not all 11 rounds can be in mega stadiums, an eclectic mix is great for the series. I was only there as a spectator and had a great time. THAT was true but by the end of a long, very hot day and countless beers it was probably inevitable. No re;l harm done and the stewarding (or lack of it) is an issue that will be addressed should the series return there in 2017. Should never return to Teterow if the trouble was as bad as reported Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Should never return to Teterow if the trouble was as bad as reported Tbh i haven't heard about this,but the stewards have been a problem for a decade or more.Mostly fans have been upset about being searched and having food and drink taken off them,but general stewarding has been a problem at the track.My own personal view which is a decade oldas the last time i went i somehow by-passed the stewards and drove almost on the track(!!!) before turning back and finding the car park,is that there seemed to be a ddgy political element to the stewards,which is not unknown in this area.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin man 76 Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 FAR better track than Terezano. Not an embarrassment at all. Not all 11 rounds can be in mega stadiums, an eclectic mix is great for the series. I was only there as a spectator and had a great time. THAT was true but by the end of a long, very hot day and countless beers it was probably inevitable. No re;l harm done and the stewarding (or lack of it) is an issue that will be addressed should the series return there in 2017. If Teterow is the best venue that IMG/BSI can secure in Germany, they should be embarrassed. Or, as others have suggested, is it simply down to the promotion at Teterow being the only ones in Germany who are prepared to pay the staging fee demanded by IMG/BSI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 If Teterow is the best venue that IMG/BSI can secure in Germany, they should be embarrassed. Or, as others have suggested, is it simply down to the promotion at Teterow being the only ones in Germany who are prepared to pay the staging fee demanded by IMG/BSI? As i said before,Ole and i think possibly Phil backed him up was saying Vojens wasn't really a worthy venue for the GPs.Now it wasn't just the track/stadium, which is much better than Teterow,but also the town,which is pretty poor,but again is much better than Teterow.Now all of a sudden a worse venue and town in ok for the GPs.So i guess it must be down to who will cough up the dosh. Having said that,i have long said that if a GP is held in Germany then Meck-Pomm is the area that should host it.Close to Scandinavia and Poland and has a great number of hard core fans.Teterow also have for more than a decade had big plans for the stdium,that never seemed to get going.Hopefully this contract will help them develope the stadium towards that vision.What i doubt the GPs can do though is help develope the town of Teterow into anything that most fans would want to spend much time in......not a tourist magnet or party town at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 FAR better track than Terezano. Not an embarrassment at all. Not all 11 rounds can be in mega stadiums, an eclectic mix is great for the series. I was only there as a spectator and had a great time. THAT was true but by the end of a long, very hot day and countless beers it was probably inevitable. No re;l harm done and the stewarding (or lack of it) is an issue that will be addressed should the series return there in 2017. Well I thoroughly enjoyed my trip, good beer, fab atmosphere & the speedway not bad either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Watching it on TV it came across ok (not the best GP but by no means awful) and riders & fans alike seemed to ha e enjoyed it. Not too sure why there are people being negative. We're never going to have 11 Cardiffs... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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