E I Addio Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 What might be worth considering here is that Poole didn't intentially go into last nights meeting set to break the rules. Matt Ford originally had this meeting penned in for last night. Then Sky wanted it moved to the live meeting on Monday. No problem. Matt agreed. So Ellis said, well as Wednesday is now free, I can ride at Marmande. No problem. Everyone happy. Then Sky decide on Coventry V Kings Lynn rather than the Poole v Lakeside meeting. Rather than ride on the Monday when crowds would be lower, Poole now revert back to race night. But hang on, Ellis has signed a contract to ride in France. Not Ellis fault the as date was free. Not Pooles fault Sky changed their mind on the fixture. So Poole can feel, through no fault of their own, Sky have cost Ellis a ride through chopping fixtures. In such regard Poole should have been allowed an edr to replace Ellis. The SCB didn't say no and allowed it, probably in the interests of the sport.(turned a blind eye) However Cook waited and then put in a complaint on the use of Wright, which through the rule book he won. One can argue the rights and wrongs but Poole were not so much guilty of cheating but more the victim of Sky and changing circumstances. Cook just exploited the situation to his favour at the last minute. Oh, so it's all Sky's fault now is it ? What a load of old tosh. If you bothered to check the Poole website before posting such twaddle you woukd see that the change was nothing to do with Sky. According to the Poole website it was originally fixed for Monday 11th July to avoid a clash with a Danish League fixture " which no longer exists", so it was then switched to Wednesday 13th July. Anyway whatever the reason for the change of dates the fact remains that Poole were not entitled to a facility for Ellis. Now, for the second time it was not a last minute complaint . The online report in the Bournemouth Echo confirms Ford eventually conceded the point 5 hours before the start and it had been disputed a long time before that, so it was in no way a "last minute" thing as you claim. Enforcing the rules is not exploiting a situation. If Ford got his act together properly none of this would have happened. Stop digging . You are getting like Starman. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 If get rid of everyone who doesn't like Poole there won't be many left, Starman! Lord knows why. Oh yes, we're all jealous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Pretty sure Ian Thomas wrote in his Autobiography that any challenge to an opposition's line up was best left to the last minute - especially when you knew you were in the right- as it left no time for alternatives to be found.Not really fair sportsmanship is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Not really fair sportsmanship is it? Sportsmanship is playing by the rules. Not that it is even relevant in this situation as your very own local newspaper, which of course will be biased towards Poole, states Ford conceded his 'battle' a good 5 hours before the start of the meeting after much debate prior.. so the 'last minute' argument is pure nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) Sportsmanship is playing by the rules. Not that it is even relevant in this situation as your very own local newspaper, which of course will be biased towards Poole, states Ford conceded his 'battle' a good 5 hours before the start of the meeting after much debate prior.. so the 'last minute' argument is pure nonsense. Gavin had the same problem as you appear to have. Staying off the Poole threads, when you alledgedly support a PL side.. Still a bit more exciting on here rather than your own thread eh.. And look what happened to him.. Best thing thats happened on this forum for years Edited July 14, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I thought BWitcher was a Wolves fan? Anyway, the forum is open to all Starry, and, also he's right. If the boot was on the other foot, you can be damn sure that Middlo and Ford would have done exactly the same thing. Unfortunately, brinkmanship, is more prevalent in this sport than sportsmanship and Poole are the ones that push the rules the most. Now spit those pips out and move on...👍 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Gavin had the same problem as you appear to have. Staying off the Poole threads, when you alledgedly support a PL side.. Still a bit more exciting on here rather than your own thread eh.. And look what happened to him.. Best thing thats happened on this forum for years Actually he supports Wolves. And if Gavan has received a ban, you should too because you are just as bad (or worse) than he is! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 There are few certainties in life but one of them is that 'bigcatdiary' will never miss an opportunity to put the boot in where Lakeside are concerned! To be fair Poole never explained initially why Ellis was missing so I have completely no sympathy with them either. As I mentioned previously no one comes out of this with any credit, Poole, Lakeside or the Referee because all three would have known well in advance if they had done their job properly. It's noteworthy that you and EI Addio never cease to raise the above point when ever I put Lakeside at fault. So who complained about Poole using Wright on the day of the match? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 To be fair Poole never explained initially why Ellis was missing so I have completely no sympathy with them either. As I mentioned previously no one comes out of this with any credit, Poole, Lakeside or the Referee because all three would have known well in advance if they had done their job properly. It's noteworthy that you and EI Addio never cease to raise the above point when ever I put Lakeside at fault. So who complained about Poole using Wright on the day of the match? How do you know the complaint was on the day of the match? Ford 'conceded' 5 hours before the start time after much debate prior. It was NOT a last minute thing. Poole should know the rules, it shouldn't be the responsibility of other teams or indeed officials to tell them. If Lakeside had wanted to have played dirty they could have said nothing at all, then appealed after the meeting and had the points Wright scored deducted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 How do you know the complaint was on the day of the match? Ford 'conceded' 5 hours before the start time after much debate prior. It was NOT a last minute thing. Poole should know the rules, it shouldn't be the responsibility of other teams or indeed officials to tell them. If Lakeside had wanted to have played dirty they could have said nothing at all, then appealed after the meeting and had the points Wright scored deducted. I thought you are not allowed to appeal after the meeting anymore? It has to be before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Gavin had the same problem as you appear to have. Staying off the Poole threads, when you alledgedly support a PL side.. Still a bit more exciting on here rather than your own thread eh.. And look what happened to him.. Best thing thats happened on this forum for years oh dear, slagging off for the sake of it and getting his info wrong as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I thought you are not allowed to appeal after the meeting anymore? It has to be before. A result can be amended if if a team have been given a facility for an absent rider that they aren't entitled to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 How do you know the complaint was on the day of the match? Ford 'conceded' 5 hours before the start time after much debate prior. It was NOT a last minute thing. Poole should know the rules, it shouldn't be the responsibility of other teams or indeed officials to tell them. If Lakeside had wanted to have played dirty they could have said nothing at all, then appealed after the meeting and had the points Wright scored deducted. It as clearly a late challenge as I have previously said the teams were known on Sunday, but nothing was decided until the day of the meeting. It wasn't a difficult decision, question why is Ellis missing, answer he is riding in a Grasstrack meeting in France. The principle behind the team declarations is deliberately done so the office, referee and the respective teams can check the validity of the teams and any changes required can be made to AVOID instances of teams riding short and thereby not short changing the paying public who of course expect both teams to be at full strength. It is the responsibility of the meeting referee to ensure the teams are correctly listed and any facilities used are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 A result can be amended if if a team have been given a facility for an absent rider that they aren't entitled to. Exactly. So that eliminates the 'dirty' Lakeside argument entirely. Well done Lakeside for saving Poole the embarrassment of tracking an illegal team. It as clearly a late challenge as I have previously said the teams were known on Sunday, but nothing was decided until the day of the meeting. It wasn't a difficult decision, question why is Ellis missing, answer he is riding in a Grasstrack meeting in France. The principle behind the team declarations is deliberately done so the office, referee and the respective teams can check the validity of the teams and any changes required can be made to AVOID instances of teams riding short and thereby not short changing the paying public who of course expect both teams to be at full strength. It is the responsibility of the meeting referee to ensure the teams are correctly listed and any facilities used are correct. Again, you know nothing other than Ford 'conceded' 5 hours before. Conceding suggests he had already been informed it wasn't allowed and was fighting against that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Ford's attitude sucks, as ever. Which is probably why Poole fans are glad to have him onside. I can understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I thought you are not allowed to appeal after the meeting anymore? It has to be before. I seem to remember us riding at Peterborough and points deducted after the meeting for illegal us of Ty Proctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 A result can be amended if if a team have been given a facility for an absent rider that they aren't entitled to. But a team has to protest before the meeting started though or bad losers could protest all the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 But a team has to protest before the meeting started though or bad losers could protest all the time! Teams arn't going to protest unless they feel they have just cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I seem to remember us riding at Peterborough and points deducted after the meeting for illegal us of Ty Proctor.I seem to remember them changing it a year ago? I'm sure I read somewhere that you had to protest before a meeting started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) I seem to remember them changing it a year ago? I'm sure I read somewhere that you had to protest before a meeting started. Does it really matter? Poole were not allowed a facility for Adam Ellis, as per the rules. It's not a grey area, not something where it can be interpreted one way or another. It's very clear. The only reason this occurred is because Ford thought he could bully his way into it being accepted under the old 'best interests of the sport'. It's precisely this sort of thing that needs stamping out of the sport. Rules are rules and ALL teams should abide by them. The onus should be on the club to ensure they are tracking a legal team. Edited July 15, 2016 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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