Col Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 This was TiVo'ed. Strange meeting really. Belle Vue can thank their Fricke & their reserves for winning it, Wolves can thank Lindgren, Karlsson, Masters & Thorsell for getting the a point with crucial heat wins from each. Klindt score suggests he rode OK, but he cost Masters big time in one heat. WTF was Adams thinking choosing gates 1 & the graveyard gate 3 in heat 15? Off night for Belle Vue but 3 points banked, track seemed slicker thank when I've seen it on Sky before. Belle Vue can't afford a night like this from Zagar & Nicholls if they make the play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) Derrr... no The forecast suggested it might rain, not only the forecast you linked in your post but the one for egbo?? Someone a mile from the track backed it up! I rely on weather forecasts at work but local reports are always more reliable. Here's a tip, look up egbo, I know its 10 miles away but that is a much more accurate forecast than the two you linked. You seem to be trying very hard to score a trolling point after your elderly friend got muddled up over how much it costs to get in to watch speedway at the National Speedway Stadium and it looked like the pillock didn't help the attendance either. Such a silly argument anyway.Obviously it's more expensive for a wolves to pay at Belle Vue (with parking cost) and it's more expensive for an Aces fan to get in at Wolves. No idea why it's such an issue. Edited July 7, 2016 by stevebrum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Well as a team we were second best tonight but in football parlance good sides find a way to win when not performing to their abilites. We dug in and nicked it but wolves were very good and must feel a bit aggrieved. Zagar is some arguement for enticing the world class GP riders isnt he? Hes been shocking this season, a woeful No1. Max Fricke is the future another great performance from him tonight. Howarth is a strange one, when he was riding in the Colts with Garrity he looked the better of the two, always more stylish and in control, whereas hes gone backwards Garrity has improved and is now a far better rider than Kyle. If Wolves had two firing reserves they would be very difficult to beat, their top five is solid and can all score important points when the team require it. Joe Jacobs has got a lot better at home and if he could transfer some of that form into his away meetings we wouldnt be far away, hopefully the extra meetings for the IOW and Ipswich will be beneficial. No team is going to be on it in every meeting and pulling out a win when riding below average is at least a positive sign.We're aces really 2nd best? Numbers 2-5scored evenly for both teams. The aces reserves simply compensated for zagar being outperformed by Lindgren. Close match with the right result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 I think you make a fair point concerning home advantage, particularly given how few home EL matches have actually been staged so far at the NSS and your ah, how can we put it, interesting and varied city climate. Quite agree on Fricke although by season's end surely his average will be a good bit north of the current six and a half. But surely a must for 2017 regardless. Surely fricke will soon be at hl, which should flatten his average somewhat. Fully Agree he should in the 17 side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Like the track but can someone tell the start marshall the tapes need tightening, they are still bowing in the middle, not as much as the other week but they are not going up level. Not sure if the camera emphasises the middle rising slightly after the edges or if the tapes are ok Because the track is so wide, tapes are 15m wide so always going to have that slight problem. It doesn't affect anything as riders are looking towards the sides anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Really love this Belle Vue track has loads of different lines, and it should provide great racing for the WTC.PK rolled back the years in a few rides Jacobs rode very well also even young Clegg was on the pace.Klintd had one decent ride but in one ride he really messed Masters up that turned things for me when you are a team mate at times it seems you are riding against Klintd as well.I have noticed that when he has ridden for Leicester not really a great team rider. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Because the track is so wide, tapes are 15m wide so always going to have that slight problem. It doesn't affect anything as riders are looking towards the sides anyway.it may not affect the riders who look at the magnets but some refs that see a rider move before the tape in front are.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 it may not affect the riders who look at the magnets but some refs that see a rider move before the tape in front are.... Also there may be a slight concern that riders in 2 and 3 gates by looking at the sides let the clutch go and touch the tape because of the lag. It could just be that the slow motion camera showed quite a delay and that the lag is acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Really love this Belle Vue track has loads of different lines, and it should provide great racing for the WTC.PK rolled back the years in a few rides Jacobs rode very well also even young Clegg was on the pace.Klintd had one decent ride but in one ride he really messed Masters up that turned things for me when you are a team mate at times it seems you are riding against Klintd as well.I have noticed that when he has ridden for Leicester not really a great team rider. Watched this on the box & I don't get all this "what a wonderful track" hype from KT et al. It was gate & go last night, maybe a couple of overtakes after the first two bends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Watched this on the box & I don't get all this "what a wonderful track" hype from KT et al. It was gate & go last night, maybe a couple of overtakes after the first two bends. I think that might be down to the standard of the league. the world cup should show what can be done on the track as the abilities of riders should be similar across the board. it does seem that the track is one for momentum as you see when some riders have to shut off that is basically the race over for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 I think that might be down to the standard of the league. the world cup should show what can be done on the track as the abilities of riders should be similar across the board. it does seem that the track is one for momentum as you see when some riders have to shut off that is basically the race over for them Plenty of races last night had riders of similar ability playing follow-my-leader. Noticed that P Adams was even more grumpy than usual when asked what he thought of the new stadium - comments to the effect that it should be good, the money they've thrown at it. I can understand this - you see more passing at Monmore in one race than I saw in the whole match last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 I agree too CB, no real home advantage as yet for the Aces. Matej Zagar touched on that subject in the post-match conference in the Peter Craven Suite. No complaints from him about the track, just a lack of consistency in conditions in home matches to date (due to the bang average Manchester "summer" so far), making set-ups hard to find. Thought Wolves were excellent, especially early on, & they are a live threat for the title for me. An Aces/Wolves 2-legged playoff tie would be some contest! After a couple of fallow years for Freddie Lindgren, enjoyed watching him back near his best, was quality all match. Whether the Aces make the playoffs or not, Max Fricke has to be the first name on the Aces team sheet for 2017. Bound to be on an attractive average, great temperament, smooth racing style, quick - & improving rapidly. Gonna be interesting to see how far he can progress - he's the real deal in my opinion. Agree regarding Max Fricke . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Plenty of races last night had riders of similar ability playing follow-my-leader. Noticed that P Adams was even more grumpy than usual when asked what he thought of the new stadium - comments to the effect that it should be good, the money they've thrown at it. I can understand this - you see more passing at Monmore in one race than I saw in the whole match last night. LOL Very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Plenty of races last night had riders of similar ability playing follow-my-leader. Noticed that P Adams was even more grumpy than usual when asked what he thought of the new stadium - comments to the effect that it should be good, the money they've thrown at it. I can understand this - you see more passing at Monmore in one race than I saw in the whole match last night. Those grapes are so sour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Plenty of races last night had riders of similar ability playing follow-my-leader. Noticed that P Adams was even more grumpy than usual when asked what he thought of the new stadium - comments to the effect that it should be good, the money they've thrown at it. I can understand this - you see more passing at Monmore in one race than I saw in the whole match last night. Deary me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Everytime I see the stadium and track on the TV it just reminds me how much better the whole set up is compared to somewhere like Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 The usual green eyed fans!, perhaps fans is the wrong word to use so I'll start again. The usual keypad numpties are at it again, thankfully this forum also has proper speedway fans. Great meeting with good close fast racing, I thought we would get the 3 points but alas the Wolves showed why I tipped them to be the dark horses this season. If I was a Wolves fan I would feel disappointed not to of got at least 3 points, I'm not and am happy we nicked 2 points. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Really enjoyed the meeting last night,what a brilliant track,and will only get better very impressed as always by Max Fricke,i could watch that kid all day,great rider and refreshing that you never see him being a gobshyte on social media,one or to Brits could learn a thing or two from him Also great to see Stevie Worrall continue to kick on,well done! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) Happens on many different programmes tho so hardly new is it ? Not quite sure i could watch a cup semi in full after the event either, but each to their own. What on earth are you talking about? If you don't know the score there is zero difference from watching it live. However, once blabber mouth pipes up it is completely ruined. Fortunately I watched the football then caught up with the Sky meeting on the repeat broadcast. Exactly - bit a daft thing to do, but nowadays can you really ever avoid a result of something big ? Yes, very easily, without blabbermouths! Well it's 2-0 to Portugal Nothing wrong with that! There is everything wrong with it. There is not ONE single benefit of giving the result away like Pearson did. Not one. Is there going to be anyone who has tuned in to find out the score and be thankful? Absolutely not, if somebody wants to know they'll flick over the channel, check the internet etc. However, you WILL annoy people as has already been demonstrated on this thread. You will also increase the chances that if someone has to choose between watching one or the other in the future, they will choose the other. This is something speedway has an issue with. It's happened many times at Wolverhampton on Monday nights when they delight in giving out the football score from Monday night fixtures. Initially it was greeted by groans of people around me, including myself, who would want to watch the game when they got home. Eventually they simply stopped going and stayed in to watch the football if it was a big game. Again, net benefit to the speedway? Absolutely ZERO. However, paying customers were lost. As for the meeting itself, decent if not great meeting, the closeness of the scores helping as well to increase tension. As others have said, the crowd looks more sparse because they are so spread out, seemed a fair sprinkling on the back straight. The crucial race of the meeting for me was PK's third ride when he was forced to shut right off on turn 2. That's speedway though! Edited July 7, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 The usual green eyed fans!, perhaps fans is the wrong word to use so I'll start again. The usual keypad numpties are at it again, thankfully this forum also has proper speedway fans. Great meeting with good close fast racing, I thought we would get the 3 points but alas the Wolves showed why I tipped them to be the dark horses this season. If I was a Wolves fan I would feel disappointed not to of got at least 3 points, I'm not and am happy we nicked 2 points. How anyone can moan about the Aces home track is baffling. It's fast and riders can really chase the lines on it. Plenty of close battles, committed races and close scraps too. It seems unless there is passing in every race it's a bad track and meeting if you read some of the posters on here. Plain ridiculous. It's obvious this is a track and stadium that stands head and shoulders above anything else in the UK and there seems a lot of envy going on. As far as Monmore goes there is no question it's one of the best prepared tracks in the country and that gives riders confidence to really attack it giving us plenty of action and passing. So I'm certainly not jealous of what Belle Vue but proud for the sport. By the same token I'm more than happy to watch my main racing at Monmore as we are blessed with a good racing strip, again plenty are jealous that a so called trick track offers such great racing also. The World Cup will show what a great track the national stadium is, that I have no doubt. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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