SCB Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) Why do the BSPA and clubs insist on running meetings on weeks where so many riders will be missing due to GP qualifiers? Every year we get the same, 1 or two meetings ruined because riders are missing. Then later in the year promoters will be asking why crowds are down or threatening to close down if crowds don't pick up. Pooles tonight at Lakeside is a shambles and it's the fault of 3 lots of people, the BSPA for arranging it for tonight, Lakeside and Poole for agreeing tot he date. It's only luck for Lakeside that they don't have 4 or 5 riders missing too really. I remember once going to Eastbourne with the entire Coventry 1-5 missing for GP qualifiers and having to use Henning Bager, Chris Schramm and Johno. No wonder people stopped going to Eastbourne, they never knew which riders were going to turn up. And while we're on it, Krzysztof Kasprzak will missing Coventrys meetings at Leicester and Lakeside as it clashes with the SEC Championship. Why the hell did we agree to ride them meetings, on them dates knowing KK stood a bloody good chance of being in the SEC? Again, Leicester and Lakeside will be bleating about poor crowds later this year, forgetting it's because Coventry fans didn't bother with either due to having no number 1. And having been to a lot of Lakeside/Coventry meetings I can tell you now, thats a LOT of away fans they could potentially lose. You can change formats, you can have draft riders, various points for meetings results but if riders are missing because of piss poor fixture planning (rather than injury) then you're only killing your product yourself. Speedway needs to sort out it's fixture planning. Let clashes with SEC, GP Qualifiers and for PL double uppers. I don't get why it's so hard?! And the answer is NOT to postpone meetings when this happens. Meetings should NOT be postponed for anything that could have been predicted. Rain/extreme circumstances only. Fixtures need to stop being changed all the time too. Edited July 1, 2016 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 they would be better off running fixtures on GP weekends rather than these other weekends- less guests ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Why do the BSPA and clubs insist on running meetings on weeks where so many riders will be missing due to GP qualifiers? Every year we get the same, 1 or two meetings ruined because riders are missing. Then later in the year promoters will be asking why crowds are down or threatening to close down if crowds don't pick up. Pooles tonight at Lakeside is a shambles and it's the fault of 3 lots of people, the BSPA for arranging it for tonight, Lakeside and Poole for agreeing tot he date. It's only luck for Lakeside that they don't have 4 or 5 riders missing too really. I remember once going to Eastbourne with the entire Coventry 1-5 missing for GP qualifiers and having to use Henning Bager, Chris Schramm and Johno. No wonder people stopped going to Eastbourne, they never knew which riders were going to turn up. And while we're on it, Krzysztof Kasprzak will missing Coventrys meetings at Leicester and Lakeside as it clashes with the SEC Championship. Why the hell did we agree to ride them meetings, on them dates knowing KK stood a bloody good chance of being in the SEC? Again, Leicester and Lakeside will be bleating about poor crowds later this year, forgetting it's because Coventry fans didn't bother with either due to having no number 1. And having been to a lot of Lakeside/Coventry meetings I can tell you now, thats a LOT of away fans they could potentially lose. You can change formats, you can have draft riders, various points for meetings results but if riders are missing because of piss poor fixture planning (rather than injury) then you're only killing your product yourself. Speedway needs to sort out it's fixture planning. Let clashes with SEC, GP Qualifiers and for PL double uppers. I don't get why it's so hard?! And the answer is NOT to postpone meetings when this happens. Meetings should NOT be postponed for anything that could have been predicted. Rain/extreme circumstances only. Fixtures need to stop being changed all the time too. They don't recognise the SEC and do not make allowances for it. This is the same reason they prevented Nicholls from riding in it the first year (threatened to ban him entirely). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 They don't recognise the SEC and do not make allowances for it. This is the same reason they prevented Nicholls from riding in it the first year (threatened to ban him entirely). Yeah, great. That'll get the fans in! Who exactly do they think they're punishing by running meetings on dates riders are missing and replaced by 3 point juniors? Two years ago on consecutive weeks Coventry and Swindon went to Eastbourne and had 3 point men replace Hans (and I think Kildemand), what possible consequence was there was swapping the meetings or even arranging to have Hans/Kildemand swap their qualifiers? It's just another great big "f you" to the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 They should try a good computer programme that allows for all these meetings SCB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 They should try a good computer programme that allows for all these meetings SCB!There is one. It's called excel. Or failing that, a ballpoint pen and a big calendar would do the trick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Yeah, great. That'll get the fans in! Who exactly do they think they're punishing by running meetings on dates riders are missing and replaced by 3 point juniors? Two years ago on consecutive weeks Coventry and Swindon went to Eastbourne and had 3 point men replace Hans (and I think Kildemand), what possible consequence was there was swapping the meetings or even arranging to have Hans/Kildemand swap their qualifiers? It's just another great big "f you" to the fans. And over the last few years the fans have been voting with their feet which is why it's strange that clubs still do it, clearly the organisers must be thick biased or both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Lets be honest, the useless sods couldn't avoid clashes for Harris and King in the GB semi-finals. What chance have they got of doing what I've asked above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) Lets be honest, the useless sods couldn't avoid clashes for Harris and King in the GB semi-finals. What chance have they got of doing what I've asked above? To be fair.... When you only have almost a year to organise an event to avoid any clashes, it must be really difficult to remember every little detail (like which riders can be there)...!!! However, just a thought... Maybe matches that clash with FIM meetings when the fixtures are announced at the start of the season should become the 'Sky meetings' on various Mondays..? Everyone seems to move heaven and earth to deliver these matches and many appear to have much less than a years notice to arrange with often 'a few weeks notice' being the norm... We seem to have matches moved from Wednesdays and Thursdays to a Monday from Poole and Swindon so why not avoid those tracks on 'FIM Weeks' and pick a track that races Friday or Saturday..... Maybe BV v KL or Lakeside v Poole could have been this week's Monday offering rather than a PL meeting less effected by 'overseas' clashes meaning these meetings could remain actually credible....? Two PL meetings being shown in an 'FIM impacted' week doesn't seem very well planned does it? Edited July 1, 2016 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) Why do the BSPA and clubs insist on running meetings on weeks where so many riders will be missing due to GP qualifiers? Every year we get the same, 1 or two meetings ruined because riders are missing. Then later in the year promoters will be asking why crowds are down or threatening to close down if crowds don't pick up. Pooles tonight at Lakeside is a shambles and it's the fault of 3 lots of people, the BSPA for arranging it for tonight, Lakeside and Poole for agreeing tot he date. It's only luck for Lakeside that they don't have 4 or 5 riders missing too really. I remember once going to Eastbourne with the entire Coventry 1-5 missing for GP qualifiers and having to use Henning Bager, Chris Schramm and Johno. No wonder people stopped going to Eastbourne, they never knew which riders were going to turn up. And while we're on it, Krzysztof Kasprzak will missing Coventrys meetings at Leicester and Lakeside as it clashes with the SEC Championship. Why the hell did we agree to ride them meetings, on them dates knowing KK stood a bloody good chance of being in the SEC? Again, Leicester and Lakeside will be bleating about poor crowds later this year, forgetting it's because Coventry fans didn't bother with either due to having no number 1. And having been to a lot of Lakeside/Coventry meetings I can tell you now, thats a LOT of away fans they could potentially lose. You can change formats, you can have draft riders, various points for meetings results but if riders are missing because of piss poor fixture planning (rather than injury) then you're only killing your product yourself. Speedway needs to sort out it's fixture planning. Let clashes with SEC, GP Qualifiers and for PL double uppers. I don't get why it's so hard?! And the answer is NOT to postpone meetings when this happens. Meetings should NOT be postponed for anything that could have been predicted. Rain/extreme circumstances only. Fixtures need to stop being changed all the time too. Another meaningless thread been started. Just perhaps, just perhaps these other fixtures were not on the agender when they compiled our fixtures... Edited July 1, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KN1 Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) FIM events are usually known in November, ours are not. Problem is there are so many nowadays it is difficult, then throw in rearranged fixtures due to weather etc in all countries, then it's also not knowing who is going to be nominated or even qualify for any of these events. Edited July 2, 2016 by KN1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Another meaningless thread been started. Just perhaps, just perhaps these other fixtures were not on the agender when they compiled our fixtures... male or female. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Lets be honest, the useless sods couldn't avoid clashes for Harris and King in the GB semi-finals. What chance have they got of doing what I've asked above? Planning & Preperation Prevent Piss Poor Performance It's not rocket science is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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