Odds On Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 It is becoming more and more evident that the Elite league is fast approaching its sell by date, how refreshing to see overtaking and close racing last night in the Premier League and also how enjoyable and interesting to have no boring and tedious interviews with the likes of Rossiter, Middleditch and co. Surely the time has come for the BSPA to do a deal with Sky to take the so called Elite league off of our tv's and replace it with mainly the Premier League and even the odd meeting from the National League. The Premier league is far from perfect but in terms of entertainment and excitement it is almost like a different product to the Elite league. The programme has a real future the only problem is that it is stale with the same teams, same team managers being interviewed year in year out. Let the programme promote our sport and show people it is exciting, riders can pass and we have different characters in the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Good points about both leagues .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 There is a lot of elite league snobbery from a minority on here. Don't understand why people don't realise you get good and bad meetings in both leagues. The Berwick meeting was poor but the Glasgow one was good lots of close racing and great team riding on a rain affected track. I've seen some garbage elite league meetings many times mainly from Lakeside or Poole. But it's funny how the snobs feel fit to judge the premier on only 2 meetings 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 The big thing with the Premier is the battle for the playoffs. Six places and realistically there are nine / ten clubs fighting for them. The likes of Edinburgh V Berwick on Friday has a real sense of importance and excitement about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) It is becoming more and more evident that the Elite league is fast approaching its sell by date, how refreshing to see overtaking and close racing last night in the Premier League and also how enjoyable and interesting to have no boring and tedious interviews with the likes of Rossiter, Middleditch and co. Surely the time has come for the BSPA to do a deal with Sky to take the so called Elite league off of our tv's and replace it with mainly the Premier League and even the odd meeting from the National League. The Premier league is far from perfect but in terms of entertainment and excitement it is almost like a different product to the Elite league. The programme has a real future the only problem is that it is stale with the same teams, same team managers being interviewed year in year out. Let the programme promote our sport and show people it is exciting, riders can pass and we have different characters in the sport. The overwhelming majority of snobbery comes from PL fans. This post sums that up, pretty much every single EL meeting on Sky has been superb. Most of them BETTER than what we saw last night in terms of racing.. FAR better in fact. There were TWO passes last night after the first half a lap all night.. that's poor. However, what WAS good about last night was the atmosphere and credit must go to Glasgow for that. It re enforces the point I have long made, the racing isn't all that important when it comes to TV meetings, it's the atmosphere. An average meeting (as last night was at the very best) can look good on TV with a good atmosphere. I notice you didn't post after the even worse dross that was served up on Monday night, by far the worst meeting there has been on Sky this year? You can get good speedway at all levels, whether its EL, PL or NL. This constant game of one upmanship is childish. The big thing with the Premier is the battle for the playoffs. Six places and realistically there are nine / ten clubs fighting for them. The likes of Edinburgh V Berwick on Friday has a real sense of importance and excitement about it. Ah yes.. that must be it. If only the EL had playoffs and there was a battle to get into them. Edited June 30, 2016 by BWitcher 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 I've watched both elite and premier matches good and bad in both. I think sky should not show the football premiership and show football league games instead, I'm sure people would rather watch bar net, Accrington, Grimsby, hartlepoo, than the Arse, Chelsea, man ure, city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 It is becoming more and more evident that the Elite league is fast approaching its sell by date, how refreshing to see overtaking and close racing last night in the Premier League and also how enjoyable and interesting to have no boring and tedious interviews with the likes of Rossiter, Middleditch and co. Surely the time has come for the BSPA to do a deal with Sky to take the so called Elite league off of our tv's and replace it with mainly the Premier League and even the odd meeting from the National League. The Premier league is far from perfect but in terms of entertainment and excitement it is almost like a different product to the Elite league. The programme has a real future the only problem is that it is stale with the same teams, same team managers being interviewed year in year out. Let the programme promote our sport and show people it is exciting, riders can pass and we have different characters in the sport. PL snob. If Mondays meeting is a judge for the PL then you may as well kill the sport now. I'd love to see more PL and NL matches on TV, so in general I'd like to see more speedway being covered. Monday was a dire advert for the sport, Wednesday showed what an atmosphere the sport can generate however after heat 4 whilst the racing was often close (it's saving grace) there wasn't much passing after the 1st lap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) I thought both PL meetings shown by Sky this week were absolute guff. Worse possible meeting on Monday, followed by similar, though fractionally better last night. The only saving grace was the work from the Glasgow promotion in doing their job in promoting the sport to bring in a good crowd sothere was an atmosphere. I much prefer EL racing. The better riders know how to pass and will commit, where last night it was just follow the leader. Holes to drive a bus through but the riders behind did nothing to go for these gaping gaps. Of course there are good and bad meetings in any league or any sport. The quality of EL riders means that the racing is that much better the majority of the time, as has been borne out this year with not a bad meeting on Sky until they went to a PL track. Just my opinion and some may disagree. Edited June 30, 2016 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 I thought both PL meetings shown by Sky this week were absolute guff. Worse possible meeting on Monday, followed by similar, though fractionally better last night. The only saving grace was the work from the Glasgow promotion in doing their job in promoting the sport to bring in a good crowd sothere was an atmosphere. I much prefer EL racing. The better riders know how to pass and will commit, where last night it was just follow the leader. Holes to drive a bus through but the riders behind did nothing to go for these gaping gaps. Of course there are good and bad meetings in any league or any sport. The quality of EL riders means that the racing is that much better the majority of the time, as has been borne out this year with not a bad meeting on Sky until they went to a PL track. Just my opinion and some may disagree. the quality of the elite league riders? Apart from 4 or 5 riders they all ride premier league anyway. Lawson , Summers , Worrall, Masters all quality riders. There are some shocking meetings on sky in the elite league and if you think last night on a wet track should produce great racing then your talking rubbish. There are cracking meetings in the premier as well as the elite your just to much of a snob to realise 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 the quality of the elite league riders? Apart from 4 or 5 riders they all ride premier league anyway. Lawson , Summers , Worrall, Masters all quality riders. There are some shocking meetings on sky in the elite league and if you think last night on a wet track should produce great racing then your talking rubbish. Same as the British final at BV then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Having supported Swindon in both the EL and PL (and Glasgow in the PL), I have to say that both leagues have their merits. It is good to see the stars but more importantly it is good to see close racing where you can "throw a blanket" over all the riders during a race. The EL has two races in one just about every race because of the EDR situation. I have to say that I really enjoyed last night (always good to get one over Edinburgh ) and I haven't seen (or heard) a crowd like last night for many a year (except for Cardiff). The EL playoffs used to bring the crowds out but over the last few years (probably because the weather has been poor), the crowds haven't been turning up in the same numbers and certainly not with an atmosphere like last night. Last night was a good advert for speedway - whatever league it is and I'm sure people watching for the first time may want to go to their local track to experience it first hand - can you imagine what they will do when they turn up at a standard EL venue with no crowd and no atmosphere? Up the Robins! Up the (Glasgow) Tigers! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) I've watched both elite and premier matches good and bad in both. I think sky should not show the football premiership and show football league games instead, I'm sure people would rather watch bar net, Accrington, Grimsby, hartlepoo, than the Arse, Chelsea, man ure, city Football is a very different sport. It is stupid to compare. For starters: A runaway win, say by 6-0 in football and the neutral will thrill at the way one team has been able to play. In speedway no neutral will enjoy a 70-20 result. In football and other field sports the better the talent, the better the skill, the better the entertainment (well in theory). In speedway it's all about relative rather than absolute skills. You can have a meeting full of star names, no racing and a huge home win. You can also have a meeting of lesser-known riders with plenty of racing and a last heat decider. Which would you rather have? Broadly speaking there now seems to be two main forms of people attending speedway - those there to enjoy speedway or those who only want to see names and a win. The first group seems to be being squeezed out and that isn't healthy for the sport. Still, we live in a world where 'celebrities' rule, even if they do damn all. Edited June 30, 2016 by rmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Football is a very different sport. It is stupid to compare. Yep full of over paid over hyped spoilt brats who kick around a puff of wind.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) What would be interesting to find out is exactly what pre-meeting promotion the Glasgow management did?! I know they gave out flags and airhorns, but that surely wasn't all that attracted a huge crowd in midweek?! Was there an admission charge offer? Were kids free or is that usual for Glasgow? OR maybe it was just because it was a big local derby? Agree the atmosphere created was great especially for TV, but as others have said, the actual racing was pretty poor and aside from the extra difficulties caused by the rain, 3 or 4 of the riders said in interview that you can't normally pass at Glasgow anyway!!!! Edited June 30, 2016 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 What was the attendance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 What was the attendance? Do you honestly expect the club to give away that sort of imformation .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 It is becoming more and more evident that the Elite league is fast approaching its sell by date, how refreshing to see overtaking and close racing last night in the Premier League and also how enjoyable and interesting to have no boring and tedious interviews with the likes of Rossiter, Middleditch and co. Surely the time has come for the BSPA to do a deal with Sky to take the so called Elite league off of our tv's and replace it with mainly the Premier League and even the odd meeting from the National League. The Premier league is far from perfect but in terms of entertainment and excitement it is almost like a different product to the Elite league. The programme has a real future the only problem is that it is stale with the same teams, same team managers being interviewed year in year out. Let the programme promote our sport and show people it is exciting, riders can pass and we have different characters in the sport. I've seen just as good matches in the EL. Balance your comments with the dross that we watched on Monday evening. The top level will always attract the media, you don't watch pub darts matches or England B or C teams in anything (no matter how bad the top lot get). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 This season more than any other confirms how hostage some fans are to their league…..take away Doyle and NKI being miles in front now and then in the EL, or Castagna and Karger being miles behind in the PL then both leagues are two cheeks of the same arse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 You can watch any meeting in any league and the spped the bikes go at now, will always give the same result in most races. The riders who have the best gating abalities are the ones who usually win the race. Even the EL has now turned into a dick follow the leader. It was actually good last night to watch something you don't see enough of these days and that is some good team riding. I know it was done to make sure the weakest rider made it to the tapes first, but it was very well done on more than one occasion. It was a regualr feature on our tracks at one time, you would not see that many overtaking manovers, because the two lads in front, who had the skill to do it controled the race from the front. A lot of people fail to realise that which ever league it is, it is a team sport, but most people ar not happy unless they see riders passing each other every race. I would rather see two riders work together as they should do and get the 5-1, than see one rider blaze away miles infront, not giving a sod what is happening to his team mate, All they want to do is get the win and make sure they can get all the points money they can bag on the night. The stars of the EL are made to look a little second rate at times when the are betten badley by one of the draft riders, good for them though, because they are the future of British speedway, there are some good lads coming through now, it is nice to see after the way there has been no riders from this country, for over 10 years or so that have been up there with the big boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 I would not have said the meeting last night was bad, there were a few good races later in the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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