racers and royals Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) After last week`s break we are back with the TV match Elite Vetlanda v Rospiggarna likely line-ups Vetlanda 1 Zmarzlik 2 Musielak 3 Sayfutdinov 4 kling 5 Woffinden 6 Berntzon 7 Wennerstam Rospiggarna 1 Doyle 2 Fricke 3 Jonsson 4 Thorssell 5 Vaculik 6 Lindman 7 Lahti meeting is covered by C MORE sport start time 6pm uk time stream http://tvsport.pro/channels/ Eurosport 2 highlights programme is on Wednesday 29th at 11am The other meetings this Tuesday are Dackarna v Lejonen Smederna v Indianerna Piraterna v Masarna teams http://www.svemo.se/sv/Grenar/Speedway/Elitserien2016/ Edited June 26, 2016 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Eurosport are actually giving this week's highlights programme five repeat showings! Next stop primetime and the luxury of 15 heats? We can but dream . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 good to see Robert Lambert getting a start him and Kim Nilsson at reserve for Masarna look a strong reserve pairing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Http://tvsport.pro/channel/302 Good stream 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawkins20 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) Jonsson runs Vaculik wide to let Zmarzlik through... madness (heat 14) Edited June 28, 2016 by Dawkins20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 what are the rules regarding tactical substitutes? is it 6 points down and a team can use one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawkins20 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 what are the rules regarding tactical substitutes? is it 6 points down and a team can use one. Yeah, its an unfair rule, should be 10 points down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 what are the rules regarding tactical substitutes? is it 6 points down and a team can use one. The same as in Britain until replaced by the cost-cutting Tactical Ride double points that we currently have to endure. Many a match was made fascinating by watching a team manager work his resources to the maximum rather than being limited to the one TR ride and the odd reserve change. Yeah, its an unfair rule, should be 10 points down. So unfair that it was used for decades in Britain and still is in Sweden and Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Why didn't Vetlanda use Bartosz Zmarzlik in place of Tobiasz Musielak in heat 13 when they were 6 points down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawkins20 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 So unfair that it was used for decades in Britain and still is in Sweden and Poland. Does that make it right? I've seen many meetings where one team had 2 world class riders and with subs they stayed in the match by beating the 2nd strings of a better all around team. The race format gives equal opportunities to both sides with substitutions you only need 2 riders who is capable of scoring 14-15 points and you have good chance to win the race. Loads times young, upcoming but less talented riders hardly get any racing time because of substitutions. I dont want to see more 60-30 meetings but its nonsense that after a sub 5-1 in the next heat they can take the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Yeah, its an unfair rule, should be 10 points down. Shouldn't be used at all. No tac subs, no r/r no put in a reserve for T/T. Just 7 riders doing 4 heats each (except for exclusions) + nomination heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 The same as in Britain until replaced by the cost-cutting Tactical Ride double points that we currently have to endure. Many a match was made fascinating by watching a team manager work his resources to the maximum rather than being limited to the one TR ride and the odd reserve change. So unfair that it was used for decades in Britain and still is in Sweden and Poland. So riders lose rides, lower order riders who need the money, great ..... not. The top boys get easy tactical rides, miles out in front, great .... not. I'd say do away with all tacticals, just have gate changes ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) So riders lose rides, lower order riders who need the money, great ..... not. The top boys get easy tactical rides, miles out in front, great .... not. I'd say do away with all tacticals, just have gate changes ..... Riders only lose rides if they have failed to perform. Would you also block reserve replacement rides for the same reason? If a rider is hopelessly out of touch he has to take all of his programmed rides? Riders are guaranteed three rides. Whether they are replaced by reserves or tactical substitutes is irrelevant. Under the old system if you were in trouble you used your styar riders to recover. Now it's all about finding strong reserves to do the job instead which is totally about-face. It worked for years and still does in Sweden and Poland. If it didn't they'd have both dumped it years ago. Britain only did it because EL heat leaders wanted too much money to take the extra rides and the Golden Double, later Tactical; Ride was introduced. Part of the fascination for many was to watch skilled team managers use their riders to try to win matches. Now those tactics have been reduced to hoping you have a reserve that's on form and working out when to play the joker. Okay, some people don't have the ability to follow such tactical ploys but that's no reason why they should dumb the sport down for others. Edited June 28, 2016 by rmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Riders only lose rides if they have failed to perform. Would you also block reserve replacement rides for the same reason? If a rider is hopelessly out of touch he has to take all of his programmed rides? Riders are guaranteed three rides. Whether they are replaced by reserves or tactical substitutes is irrelevant. Under the old system if you were in trouble you used your styar riders to recover. Now it's all about finding strong reserves to do the job instead which is totally about-face. It worked for years and still does in Sweden and Poland. If it didn't they'd have both dumped it years ago. Britain only did it because EL heat leaders wanted too much money to take the extra rides and the Golden Double, later Tactical; Ride was introduced. Part of the fascination for many was to watch skilled team managers use their riders to try to win matches. Now those tactics have been reduced to hoping you have a reserve that's on form and working out when to play the joker. Okay, some people don't have the ability to follow such tactical ploys but that's no reason why they should dumb the sport down for others. It really doesn't. There have been many meetings that have been decided due to one team being able to use tac-subs while the other wasn't. Tac subs benefits top heavy teams since they can replace the non-performing riders. IMO it doesn't fill any purpose. 6 points is a too small difference and if the difference would be bigger like 12 points it's not likely that using a tac subs would do much to close the gap since it usually means that the entire team is not performing which means that a team likely doesn't have any riders to use as a tac-sub anyway. If tac-subs where to be removed, it would be more "fair" to build different types of teams. You could built a top heavy team which would rely on the top riders to score the majority of the points or you could build a more balanced team which would rely on all riders to score 6-7 points each. Tac-subs benefits the top heavy team since they always can replace the second string riders with tac-subs. I don't think it's a fair rule since it allows one team to give their best riders extra heats while the winning team have to use it's worse riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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racers and royals Posted June 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) just caught up with the action by keeping away from any score details and watching Eurosport - cracking meeting- obviously spoilt by Eurosport !!! cut out heat 6 but then ludicrously cut out heat 14- what the **** I did enjoy the " 10 best cycling near-misses" during one of the breaks. Edit If that`s the best the editor can do sat in Paris- then I`m glad we are out of the EU !!!!!! Edited June 29, 2016 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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