Starman2006 Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) Cos most promoters stick their fingers in their ears and sing 'la la la la' than listen to a good suggestion!! Do they.. my guess it that your just guessing.. Edited July 5, 2016 by Starman2006 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 So what would hou suggest? Ban Holder, Zagar, Iversen, Jonsson, Lindgren, Doyle etc? Good servants to British speedway. Drop the standard across the board to PL level so Britain never again produces top class riders. Or if one comes through he is banned from riding here because he has got too good? We need to raise the standard not dilute it to PL level. Squad system is the way ahead. Ten riders in a squad. Still have a team 'points' limit of some form. Riders who are not used by their club are automatically available for all other clubs to sign. A squad system is not financially viable unless you want Poole to ride say against four other teams?This notion that having the stars back would make crowds alot better is that correct.?I see Tai as a world champion at the Abbey still only got 1000//1300 there watching.After watching that average at best meeting last night i still think we need to raise the bar on the entertainment stakes that is a priority for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 We've all talked about set race nights for years now but its just not happening. You have to ask the question why ? And it's edging closer and closer to reality. Think it will happen in next 2 seasons personally, I have no issue what night it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 The fixed race night (or 2) for the EL has indeed been talked about for the last few years. Its so that those clubs that have to can sound out their landlords with sufficient notice and negotiation to change their night if necessary. The last AGM suggested it will come into force in 2017. If there is still to be a senior league with an attempt to attract the top riders again then I would put my money on a Weds/Thursday option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 And it's edging closer and closer to reality. Think it will happen in next 2 seasons personally, I have no issue what night it is. Its needed, and badly.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 The fixed race night (or 2) for the EL has indeed been talked about for the last few years. Its so that those clubs that have to can sound out their landlords with sufficient notice and negotiation to change their night if necessary. The last AGM suggested it will come into force in 2017. If there is still to be a senior league with an attempt to attract the top riders again then I would put my money on a Weds/Thursday option. If we're still running an EL next season I still say Monday/Thursday as a lot of Danes will be ruled out from a fixed Wednesday race night in the UK. Personally I'm against a single fixed racenight idea simply because of the Landlord potential problems but, I'd knock certain race days on the head ie Tuesday's, Friday's (except Good Friday), Saturday's and Sunday's. I'd have it so each club is only permitted to race 1 home 1 away fixture per week at all times, giving better scheduling for riders to work with. That would also be the case with rain offs too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 A lot of riders don't like riding on Monday though, isn't it one of the reasons why BV moved their race night? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 It's all very well having these proposals...but imo, they will just plaster over the bigger problems. He wants 25 home fixtures....I agree, biggest problem is continuity. Having a weekly fixture is a must. However...no way are you going to get 25 home fixtures done without many rain offs. It for me, is the biggest killer to this sport. The slightest sniff of rain and people wont bother turning up. Then they find something else to do...as they have got fed up with this farce. It arguably rains more in our summer months. Modern tracks and bikes are sensitive to water and need almost 'perfect' conditions for riders to race. I've never seen so many meetings called off down to the weather. How in nearly 100 years Speedway hasn't found a way of covering the tracks is beyond me. How they haven't found a way of evolving, so that tracks and bikes can race in wet dirty conditions. It's complete madness, trying to run a sport successfully, when it can't run in normal British weather conditions. I'm all for changes...but imo, it has to change drastically. It's not about the top riders...it's about the very basics of the sport that need to change. Tracks and bikes and riders mentality...lets start there firstly. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Would that contract give them a wage if sat on the sidelines waiting for their chance to race. No. I don't know of any team that pays their riders when they are not riding. Some riders though, like Greg H, might have a fixed sum salary per meeting rather than a salary based on amount of points scored. A squad system is not financially viable unless you want Poole to ride say against four other teams? You don't need 10 riders per squad. Sweden have only allows 7 riders (riders who have an average of 0.500 / 2.00 does not count). We also allow three season permanent guest riders but those have to be Swedish only. They are also able to ride for one team in Elitserien and one team in Allsvenskan. There are also restrictions regarding the averages of the guest riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 No. I don't know of any team that pays their riders when they are not riding. Some riders though, like Greg H, might have a fixed sum salary per meeting rather than a salary based on amount of points scored. More fool them if they sign up to a team but do not ride or get paid if they are stopped fro riding for any other team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 If we're still running an EL next season I still say Monday/Thursday as a lot of Danes will be ruled out from a fixed Wednesday race night in the UK. Personally I'm against a single fixed racenight idea simply because of the Landlord potential problems but, I'd knock certain race days on the head ie Tuesday's, Friday's (except Good Friday), Saturday's and Sunday's. I'd have it so each club is only permitted to race 1 home 1 away fixture per week at all times, giving better scheduling for riders to work with. That would also be the case with rain offs too There are only a handful of Danes currently riding in the EL. Up until last week 4 of those were already riding for Weds/Thurs tracks (Poole/Kings Lynn). The Danish League does not run every week so whenever there is a Wednesday fixture clash, you either use a squad member or ride on the Thursday?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 No. I don't know of any team that pays their riders when they are not riding. Some riders though, like Greg H, might have a fixed sum salary per meeting rather than a salary based on amount of points scored. You don't need 10 riders per squad. Sweden have only allows 7 riders (riders who have an average of 0.500 / 2.00 does not count). We also allow three season permanent guest riders but those have to be Swedish only. They are also able to ride for one team in Elitserien and one team in Allsvenskan. There are also restrictions regarding the averages of the guest riders. That's because no British team has this sort of set-up. Are you suggesting that, Kasprzak for instance, would be happy sitting out matches in Poole's squad earning nothing when he could be first choice elsewhere earning money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 That's because no British team has this sort of set-up. Are you suggesting that, Kasprzak for instance, would be happy sitting out matches in Poole's squad earning nothing when he could be first choice elsewhere earning money? Ive already said this umpteen times. If you have a sqaud system riders will expect a retainer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) That's because no British team has this sort of set-up. Are you suggesting that, Kasprzak for instance, would be happy sitting out matches in Poole's squad earning nothing when he could be first choice elsewhere earning money? Of course not. However if he could be first choice somewhere else then what stopped him from signing with them in the first place? Edited July 9, 2016 by Ghostwalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Of course not. However if he could be first choice somewhere else then what stopped him from signing with them in the first place? With a squad system in operation, another track hoping to sign him as back up in case of injury to the regular/preferred #1 maybe? Edited July 9, 2016 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 having riders on retainers in squads will seriously reduce the availability of riders when teams need to look to a new rider/s due to injuries or retirements etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 It's interesting how the promotion with what I would expect is the largest asset list in the country is arguing for a squad system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) having riders on retainers in squads will seriously reduce the availability of riders when teams need to look to a new rider/s due to injuries or retirements etc Quite. And it won't be very long before we hear the call for the introduction of temporary guests to cover these shortages. Edited July 10, 2016 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) squads won't increase the regularity of fixtures. The top riders who are signed up will all want to ride in/ miss the same meetings. Perhaps if we ran our season from Jan-April it might work.. Edited July 10, 2016 by Mike.Butler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Theres no easy solution. Shovvy says you want better riders, if you do then youll have a 4 team league as half of em cant afford what they have now. The public definitley want more fixtures, i must admit this seasons been a complete joke. It needs people with no affiliation to be involved in decision making( unlikely), that way people with a vested financial interest dont skew things totally in theyre favour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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