waiheke1 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Jan O. Pedersen was amazing around Oxford. I recall him passing Hans Nielsen from behind on a number of occasions. All the best Rob No mention of Carl blackbird Rob? If only for one meeting, he was amazing against Hand ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 No mention of Carl blackbird Rob? If only for one meeting, he was amazing against Hand ;-) I mentioned Jan O, because he was the one who could do it on a consistent basis. Carl Blackbird was a one-off. All the best Rob PS Troy Butler flew around Coventry. Even got 11 points there in a season he averaged less than 2.00. And, of course, he won the NLRC at Cov in 1988. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I remember seeing Gote Nordin win the Internationale in imperious style at Wimbledon in 1966 and 1967 and so I looked up his record at the track during those two seasons. In 1966 he recorded a 15 point maximum for Newport in a league match, 15 point maximum in the Internationale, followed by a meagre 11 points from 5 rides in The Laurels, In 1967 Gote started with a 15 point maximum in the Internationale, recorded 17 from 6 rides for Sweden against Great Britain and 11 points from 4 rides for Poole in a British League encounter. He also won all of his 6 races to take both trophies in the National Press meeting, for which the format was qualifying heats, semi finals and finals - the top class field included Mauger, McKinlay, Nygren, Jansson, Harrfeldt, Wilson, Michanek, Hedge and Eric Boocock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Jessup wasn't great at Hyde Rd, though I recall one teSt vs USA in 81 where he scored about 16. Schwartz and Kennett definitely struggled. Simmons wasn't too bad from memory, though certainly never dominated a meeting. How many of those top riders say from 1971/78 the visiting no 1s got beat in the heat 13 the 3/5/1/4 race were beaten by a PC,Mort,Pusey,Sjosten partnership quite a lot i think.Also Lee was another one out of memory was not always great at Hyde Rd,a mixed bag really six points as a sixteen year old for Mildenhall mixing it and Three rostrum places in the BLRC and a few not memorable ones to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 One of my favourite riders of the early 1960s was Jack Scott and he had a great liking for the Sheffield track. Riding for the Plymouth Devils in 1961 he recorded a 15 point maximum at Owlerton in the KO Cup and scored 11 from 4 rides in the Provincial League meeting. Sadly, Jack did not compete in Britain after that season until his brief spell with Cradley Heath in 1967, when he scored 12 plus a bonus from 5 rides, beaten twice by maximum scorer Bob Paulson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Now if we were talking about a thread titled 'Visiting Rider Who Hated Your Track', I'd have no hesitation in nominating Bobby Schwartz at Hackney. You're right about Schwartz, he detested the place! There wasn't much love lost between Bobby and Len Silver either, after Len booked him as a guest for the visit of Cradley in 81 and he only scored 3 points. Although it wasn't the smartest booking, given Schwartz's connection to the Heathens and his buddy Bruce Penhall. Also of course, he saw his team-mate and countryman Denny Pyeatt lose his life there. American riders seemed to have bad luck at Hackney. Kelly Moran suffered serious injury in 78, and brother Shawn broke his leg. Penhall liked riding there though, being the only visitor to score a maximum in 80, and I think the following year too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 You're right about Schwartz, he detested the place! There wasn't much love lost between Bobby and Len Silver either, after Len booked him as a guest for the visit of Cradley in 81 and he only scored 3 points. Although it wasn't the smartest booking, given Schwartz's connection to the Heathens and his buddy Bruce Penhall. Also of course, he saw his team-mate and countryman Denny Pyeatt lose his life there. American riders seemed to have bad luck at Hackney. Kelly Moran suffered serious injury in 78, and brother Shawn broke his leg. Penhall liked riding there though, being the only visitor to score a maximum in 80, and I think the following year too. Did you think Hackney was dangerous Terry"? i never even thought about it until Vic Harding was killed.I loved my trips to Hackney some great racing i think in a way the stadium was like Blackbird Rd another track i loved.Both had a few pylons there which looking back was dangerous they both were old outdated stadiums both great tracks though great nights at the Wick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 How many of those top riders say from 1971/78 the visiting no 1s got beat in the heat 13 the 3/5/1/4 race were beaten by a PC,Mort,Pusey,Sjosten partnership quite a lot i think.Also Lee was another one out of memory was not always great at Hyde Rd,a mixed bag really six points as a sixteen year old for Mildenhall mixing it and Three rostrum places in the BLRC and a few not memorable ones to.Lee seemed to win his first race at hyde Rd then fade, but certainly wouldn't say he was poor. One of my favorite memories though is mort and a 17vyear old Andy Smith coming from the back to record a 5-1 over him, in 83 when Lee was flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Lee seemed to win his first race at hyde Rd then fade, but certainly wouldn't say he was poor. One of my favorite memories though is mort and a 17vyear old Andy Smith coming from the back to record a 5-1 over him, in 83 when Lee was flying.Dont think he was poor there,but would have a guess and say his overall league average was barely 9.00..? there. In 83 in the BLRC after a 0 first time out when he got filled in, when he and Carter were looking for each other i think Petersen/Andersson sneaked through after that he was flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 (edited) Dont think he was poor there,but would have a guess and say his overall league average was barely 9.00..? there. In 83 in the BLRC after a 0 first time out when he got filled in, when he and Carter were looking for each other i think Petersen/Andersson sneaked through after that he was flying. July 1978, Lee scored a 12 point maximum for Stars at Hyde Road, setting the three fastest times of the meeting and beating Peter Collins, Les Collins and Chris Morton (twice). Edited June 22, 2016 by BL65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Did you think Hackney was dangerous Terry"? i never even thought about it until Vic Harding was killed.I loved my trips to Hackney some great racing i think in a way the stadium was like Blackbird Rd another track i loved.Both had a few pylons there which looking back was dangerous they both were old outdated stadiums both great tracks though great nights at the Wick. Obviously I don't want to be too critical because Hackney Speedway was my first love! It was a great racetrack, always well prepared and most riders enjoyed racing on it, but you're right about the pylons. They were too close to the track, and even though the track wasn't quite as good with the alterations prior to the move into the NL, it was a lot safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Darcy Ward at swindon about 2/3 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 July 1978, Lee scored a 12 point maximum for Stars at Hyde Road, setting the three fastest times of the meeting and beating Peter Collins, Les Collins and Chris Morton (twice). July 1978, Lee scored a 12 point maximum for Stars at Hyde Road, setting the three fastest times of the meeting and beating Peter Collins, Les Collins and Chris Morton (twice). July 1978, Lee scored a 12 point maximum for Stars at Hyde Road, setting the three fastest times of the meeting and beating Peter Collins, Les Collins and Chris Morton (twice).Can you remember Lee scoring 6 points aged 16 for Mildenhall and when he had a great race with PC in the Golden jubilee meeting after PC had beaten Davey for the Helmet.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMac Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Obviously I don't want to be too critical because Hackney Speedway was my first love! It was a great racetrack, always well prepared and most riders enjoyed racing on it, but you're right about the pylons. They were too close to the track, and even though the track wasn't quite as good with the alterations prior to the move into the NL, it was a lot safer. Before 1983, Hackney was no less safe than, for example, Leicester, Coventry, Sheffield, Swindon, Wolverhampton (albeit a slower track). And it was no more dangerous than those track with solid fences, especially the faster ones - inc Exeter, Halifax, King's Lynn, Belle Vue (where there was more space to take evasive action). And then there was Bristol and Newport... The collapsible fences at Wimbledon and Ipswich looked safest, generally speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Can you remember Lee scoring 6 points aged 16 for Mildenhall and when he had a great race with PC in the Golden jubilee meeting after PC had beaten Davey for the Helmet.? I remember Lee riding for Boston and King's Lynn early in his career, but not Mildenhall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) I remember Lee riding for Boston and King's Lynn early in his career, but not Mildenhall.Sorry BL the challenge meeting or some cup ?at Hyde Rd was for Boston you are right.He ended up as no1 aged 16 riding in the NLRC he did go to Hyde Rd for regular training rides aged 14/15 when connected to Mildenhall. Edited June 23, 2016 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Sorry BL the challenge meeting or some cup ?at Hyde Rd was for Boston you are right.He ended up as no1 aged 16 riding in the NLRC he did go to Hyde Rd for regular training rides aged 14/15 when connected to Mildenhall. The meeting referred to was the Inter League KO Cup Semi Final on 17th September 1975, when Belle Vue beat Boston 58-20. Lee scored 6 points from 5 rides for Boston. Morton, Wilkinson, Collins, Sjosten and Hodgson were unbeaten by the opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 The meeting referred to was the Inter League KO Cup Semi Final on 17th September 1975, when Belle Vue beat Boston 58-20. Lee scored 6 points from 5 rides for Boston. Morton, Wilkinson, Collins, Sjosten and Hodgson were unbeaten by the opposition.How many 16 year olds ended up as a no 1 with a nine point average in there rookie season.This also and some will disagree was in a very tough competetive NL full of different teams different types of tracks a different challenge at every track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) How many 16 year olds ended up as a no 1 with a nine point average in there rookie season.This also and some will disagree was in a very tough competetive NL full of different teams different types of tracks a different challenge at every track. Ronnie Moore was 17 when he completed his first season in the top division of the National League with an average of 7.23. He improved on this to achieve 9.95 in 1951 and 11.27 in 1952. Lee's league average in his first season, in the lower league, was 9.13. In his second and third seasons, in the British League, he achieved 7.53 and 10.64. Edited June 23, 2016 by BL65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) Ronnie Moore was 17 when he completed his first season in the top division of the National League with an average of 7.23. He improved on this to achieve 9.95 in 1951 and 11.27 in 1952.Mirac you would have to say was thrown into a higher standard than Lee was he was some rider.In my lifetime Lee/Ward are the most talented younger riders i ever saw ride Screen and Loram would get a mention to. Edited June 23, 2016 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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