Mildenhall -v- Cradley Off

[Ommer Mon]

The League Table still hasn't changed on the BSPA website as far as I can see.

[gee jay]

Yep, but I thought it would distract attention from how daft the decision is and nobody will have any time to appeal as they will spend the next 12 pages having the usual go at us.

 

Cunning eh?

 

cunning enough to be one of baldricks plans

this decision wouldn't have anything to do with the sponsor of the league having such a close involvement with mildenhall at all.

[Guest]

The Mildenhall v Cradley match was called off early in the day. There was time to prevent riders and club officials travelling.

The call off was general knowledge on both Facebook and the BSF by mid-morning, so again many supporters were aware of the fact.

In all the comments made about the cancellations, so far I have not seen any mention of a supporter/supporters who wrongly traveled to the match.

In REAL TERMS the cancellation was called within a reasonable time period similar to that when bona fide fixtures are called off. Again, not a real problem as I see it.

Supporters may have been annoyed that a fixture was wrongly called off but at the end of the day nobody appears to have been badly inconvenienced?

[Halifaxtiger]

 

 

 

Far from it. This is a carefully thought out response on the situation - not like most of the knee-jerk comments being made elsewhere in this thread. Read my comment again - think carefully as to what I say. Then you will get the full meaning of my message.

I fully respect your right to criticise the opinion that I have expressed but have failed to do so. But I object most fully in regard to the assertion in regard to my possible lifestyle which is without both merit or foundation. 'Nuff said!

 

This is a poor decision. In truth, its very poor.

 

Kevin Jolly and, through him, Mildenhall should be subject to redress but in no way should Cradley benefit from that.

 

In fact, what has happened is that Mildenhall have been punished but Cradley (without a point away in the league) have gained 4 points from a meeting that its entirely possible that they would have not got anything from. That benefits Cradley for no reason whatsoever and, worse, puts all the other clubs at a disadvantage. That, to me, is most difficult to justify.

 

As has been pointed out, a 3 point deduction from Mildenhall and the re-running of the meeting would be far more appropriate.

 

Kevin Jolly has been fined £250, suspended for a year so he may actually pay nothing at all. David Hemsley has been fined £9,000 and his promoters licence suspended. Even allowing for all the circumstances, Jolly's previous good record and the fact that he tried to make amends and clearly regrets what he has done, I'd say the huge difference between the two is also difficult to justify.

[Guest]

 

This is a poor decision. In truth, its very poor.

 

Kevin Jolly and, through him, Mildenhall should be subject to redress but in no way should Cradley benefit from that.

 

In fact, what has happened is that Mildenhall have been punished but Cradley (without a point away in the league) have gained 4 points from a meeting that its entirely possible that they would have not got anything from. That benefits Cradley for no reason whatsoever and, worse, puts all the other clubs at a disadvantage. That, to me, is most difficult to justify.

 

As has been pointed out, a 3 point deduction from Mildenhall and the re-running of the meeting would be far more appropriate.

 

Kevin Jolly has been fined £250, suspended for a year so he may actually pay nothing at all. David Hemsley has been fined £9,000 and his promoters licence suspended. Even allowing for all the circumstances, Jolly's previous good record and the fact that he tried to make amends and clearly regrets what he has done, I'd say the huge difference between the two is also difficult to justify.

 

I take on board all that you say Halifaxtiger but at the end of the day the Mildenhall v Cradley cancellation really affected nobody. Just annoyed some people - a big difference.

You raise another matter in regard to David Hemsley and Leicester - I have no views on that having no knowledge of what transpired. At the end of the day, however, if David Hemsley refuses/declines to pay the fine there is little the speedway authorities can do as I see it other than a suspension until it is paid.

Indeed, I would suggest that if you wish to stimulate comment in that matter you will get a better response from the BSF section where Leicester speedway matters are discussed than in the BSF National League section. Or has it been raised there?- I vert rarely visit the PL section in this group.

[AlanF]

 

I take on board all that you say Halifaxtiger but at the end of the day the Mildenhall v Cradley cancellation really affected nobody. Just annoyed some people - a big difference.

You raise another matter in regard to David Hemsley and Leicester - I have no views on that having no knowledge of what transpired. At the end of the day, however, if David Hemsley refuses/declines to pay the fine there is little the speedway authorities can do as I see it other than a suspension until it is paid.

Indeed, I would suggest that if you wish to stimulate comment in that matter you will get a better response from the BSF section where Leicester speedway matters are discussed than in the BSF National League section. Or has it been raised there?- I vert rarely visit the PL section in this group.

People have posted in this topic that they made the journey only to find out it was off when they got there. I would say they were affected. The riders who didn'tbget a pay day were affected as well. The onus shouldn't be in the fan to have to check Facebook or the BSF before leaving home on a day where there were no weather issues. No wonder people stay at home. The small and suspended fine just shows the importance (lack of) that the authorities place on the supporters.

 

In would think that David Hemsley is delighted with this decision. It can only help him in his appeal against the huge fine imposed on him.

Edited July 3, 2016 by AlanF

[Guest]

People have posted in this topic that they made the journey only to find out it was off when they got there. I would say they were affected. The riders who didn'tbget a pay day were affected as well. The onus shouldn't be in the fan to have to check Facebook or the BSF before leaving home on a day where there were no weather issues. No wonder people stay at home. The small and suspended fine just shows the importance (lack of) that the authorities place on the supporters.

 

I am sorry that some people were affected by the postponement decision. I made my comment because I had not seen any such comments in previous Posts in this topic and TBH still cannot. But if they are there, my sympathy to them.

Over the years I also turned up at tracks to find that meetings had been postponed. It was annoying but I accepted the happening as being part-and-parcel of what happens when one follows an outdoor sport.

Edited July 3, 2016 by Guest

[arnieg]

I am sorry that some people were affected by the postponement decision. I made my comment because I had not seen any such comments in previous Posts in this topic and TBH still cannot. But if they are there, my sympathy to them.

Over the years I also turned up at tracks to find that meetings had been postponed. It was annoying but I accepted the happening as being part-and-parcel of what happens when one follows an outdoor sport.

But the circumstances were such that this match would have been called off even if it was indoors!!!

[Guest]

 

I am sorry that some people were affected by the postponement decision. I made my comment because I had not seen any such comments in previous Posts in this topic and TBH still cannot. But if they are there, my sympathy to them.

Over the years I also turned up at tracks to find that meetings had been postponed. It was annoying but I accepted the happening as being part-and-parcel of what happens when one follows an outdoor sport.

 

 

But the circumstances were such that this match would have been called off even if it was indoors!!!

 

That's not the point I am debating arnieg - I asked where the comments were in this thread where people had travelled to Mildenhall then found the meeting had been called off. Can you point one or two out for me please?

Edited July 3, 2016 by Guest

[AlanF]

Look at the posts by waynejarvis and westhamboy66

[Guest]

 

 

 

That's not the point I am debating arnieg - I asked where the comments were in this tread where people had travelled to Mildenhall then found the meeting had been called off. Can you point one or two out for me please?

 

 

Look at the posts by waynejarvis and westhamboy66

 

Thank you for your comment AlanF. I have tried to find the two Posts you refer to without any luck. Can you please multi-quote them if convenient. Thank for your anticipated help.

[Ommer Mon]

Still no sign of the points being added to Cradley's League Record.

 

I wonder what's going on?

[Guest]

Having spent ages reading the posts today has finally made me register to post!

 

I have visited Mildenhall for many years, travelling from North London most weeks. I had been on to the speedwaygb website and the meeting was still on. With the weather sunny and fine I set off on the 90 minute journey to the track and arrived at about 2.30. I met several cars along the narrow road to the stadium and assumed that the Moto X had just finished. On arrival it was clear that something was amiss and reading the handwritten bit of paper stuck to the turnstile entrance it was announced that the meeting was off due to personal and speedway issues. The number of people arriving during the time I was there was very steady demonstrating how much inconvenience the immature decision has caused. Having spent a total of 3 hours in the car at a cost of around £30 in fuel (175 mile round trip) I was really pleased to read the Mildenhall statement that Mr Jolly immediately regretted his decision on cancelling the meeting. I know just how he feels as I now regret spending a day and my hard earned money going to Mildenhall and that he would be taking a rest before returning on 17 July when the Isle of Wight visit. I will not be returning again.

 

This act sums up British Speedway. Promoters wonder why they don't get crowds - that need to remember that they are offering a product that they need to sell. Can you imagine turning up at Man Utd or Liverpool and the Chairman has decided that he can't be bothered to play a game and what the implications would be if they did cancel the game.

 

The meeting at Kings Lynn on Saturday also shows the same lack of, for want of a better term, customer experience. Yes there were lots of stoppages but there were 20 minute gaps between the qualifiers and semis and the semis and final. I drive out of the car park at 23:40

 

I do not suspect that Mr Jolly will be offering any recompense to those who travelled and I suspect that like most promoters he doesn't care. There needs to be a full open and Mildenhall speedway about he reasons for this and I hope that Mr Jolly's licence is suspended.

 

 

Being purely selfish I wasted nearly four hours driving, did 180 miles and it cost me about 25 quid in fuel. I do far less meetings these days as i simply don't risk travelling when there is a dodgy weather forecast anymore. But to turn up to a stadium and watch many others turning round and leaving for no apparent reason is a real kick in the teeth. I don't give a toss about a dispute over who can and can't ride this sort of thing just wouldn't be acceptable in a real sport. Whatever the rights and wrongs that is irrelevant and i wouldn't bother discussing it all i would say is that's my lot going to watch racing at Mildenhall as there is plenty of racing elsewhere. So who is the loser? Ultimately Mildenhall speedway as i'm sure there are more people than me thinking this way.

 

I have carefully read both the Posts as suggested by AlanF and must agree that both Waynejarvis and westhamboy66 have every reason to feel aggrieved with the situation they found at Mildenhall after making obviously long journeys to be there.

Obviously I was wrong in my assertion that no members of the speedway public were affected by Kevin Jolly's decision to postpone/cancel the Mildenhall-Cradley match because VERY obviously these two were.

And there may well have been others who are not BSF posters who were also affected. A very sorry state of affairs indeed.

Edited July 3, 2016 by Guest

[Mike.Butler]

As said earlier in an earlier post I drove up from Sussex having checked match was on before I left.

It's bigger than just me though isn't it. It's about trust and the effect that this type of balls-up has on other tracks businesses. That is why I sincerely believe that the sport is better off with tracks closed that don't act in a professional manner at all times. I'm sorry but every one of these negative stories takes us further down the road to oblivion.

And whilst I'm at it what the heck is going on at Stoke? How many times have I thought about going there only to see 'match postponed' signs up?

The latest being yesterday...Matt calls for continuity of fixtures....some promotions can't even manage the odd meeting once in a while!

[Ommer Mon]

Well 4 away points have appeared on Cradley's record but that's as a result of yesterday's win at Rye House.

 

There is clearly something going on behind the scenes here.

Edited July 5, 2016 by Ommer Mon

[Alex2000]

Nigel Pearson just tweeted - "Just reading @speedwaystarmag amused at reports @HeathensSpeed awarded points for Mildenhall away. Nobody has told us."

 

What are the BSPA playing at?

[ouch]

Things were bad with Harkness but straight talking no nonsense Chapman has sunk things even further. Fall on your sword man and move on.

[catinthehat]

Read in the speedway star this morning that Dugard has moaned about Cradley gettting the points so i am sure something is going on somewhere, But to be honest i dont think it was anything to do with Cradeley the problem being is that its effected the whole of the league.

 

The problem really is the decision thats been made not of who the clubs who are involved.

 

I dont think Dugard is the only one to moan but he is the only one to put it public and why not its a bad decision and he is right Re Run the metting? everyone earns money that way.

[Islander15]

Cradley expect the appeal to order a re-run of the meeting anyway, and as a consequence are arranging a date. Though if it doesn't they'll still go there for a challenge meeting. Fair play Cradley's promotion.

[Ommer Mon]

Rather than hand 4 points to Cradley it would have been fairer all round to take 4 points off the Bog Moggies. That way they suffer some kind of penalty. Even if they win the rearranged match they still can't claw all 4 points back.

 

Just a thought.