Speedway28 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I understand Kevin Jolly's issue regarding Williamson replacing Chessell but what does he really want? Cradley are working within the permitted rules. Also, does he want the fans to turn up and watch Mildenhall race against Clegg and Morris and then, with no disrepect to Basford, Andrews and Cupitt but three three pointers and then another one that would have to be bought in. Speedway is still an entertainment sport and without a third heat leader, the meeting would've been over after ten or eleven heats. He's messed up terribly here and it'll be very interesting to see what happens. Excuse my ignorance, but is he in sole charge of Mildenhall speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Theres no escaping the fact that Kevin Jolly got it horribly wrong and will have to pay the penalty for his actions. Cradley are not the first team to exploit the rules and they won't be the last (Mildenhall included). However the deed has now been done, Kevin has impacted his own business and let down his own fans who in my mind should make a goodwill gesture to them. However hounding the man out of the sport is ludicrous. He is a passionate Speedway Promoter who puts everything into his club and sometimes over steps the mark. Surely the best way forward is for the SCB to levy the appropriate fines, inflict a stern slap on the wrist and use it as a lesson for everyone for the future that whether you agree with the rules or not they need to be followed. Driving a promoter out of the sport & placing a club in jeopardy cannot in any way to coin a well used phrase be "in the best interests of Bristish Speedway". 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Theres no escaping the fact that Kevin Jolly got it horribly wrong and will have to pay the penalty for his actions. Cradley are not the first team to exploit the rules and they won't be the last (Mildenhall included). However the deed has now been done, Kevin has impacted his own business and let down his own fans who in my mind should make a goodwill gesture to them. However hounding the man out of the sport is ludicrous. He is a passionate Speedway Promoter who puts everything into his club and sometimes over steps the mark. Surely the best way forward is for the SCB to levy the appropriate fines, inflict a stern slap on the wrist and use it as a lesson for everyone for the future that whether you agree with the rules or not they need to be followed. Driving a promoter out of the sport & placing a club in jeopardy cannot in any way to coin a well used phrase be "in the best interests of Bristish Speedway". I endorse what you say Sigs4Kings but let's remember - we are talking about British speedway and the possible way its top administrators like to react. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I endorse what you say Sigs4Kings but let's remember - we are talking about British speedway and the possible way its top administrators like to react. . Should react or we have promtions pulling the plug on meetings because they get a bit pissy, ask yourself if Speedway was helped or embarrassed by what happened then ask if someone should be reprimanded for it to try and stop it happening again. He should have his licence removed thanked for his services and told he wont be allowed to return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 . Should react or we have promtions pulling the plug on meetings because they get a bit pissy, ask yourself if Speedway was helped or embarrassed by what happened then ask if someone should be reprimanded for it to try and stop it happening again. He should have his licence removed thanked for his services and told he wont be allowed to return It should follow the precedent set in the Belle Vue/Poole burst pipe meeting. A fine, a deduction of 3 league points and Mildenhall not allowed to call off any meetings without the agreement of the SCB for 2 years. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 . Should react or we have promtions pulling the plug on meetings because they get a bit pissy, ask yourself if Speedway was helped or embarrassed by what happened then ask if someone should be reprimanded for it to try and stop it happening again. He should have his licence removed thanked for his services and told he wont be allowed to return It should follow the precedent set in the Belle Vue/Poole burst pipe meeting. A fine, a deduction of 3 league points and Mildenhall not allowed to call off any meetings without the agreement of the SCB for 2 years. The second response (above) looks the ideal punishment for Mildenhall - especially as a possible precedent for a happening with similarities has been dealt with by the sport's administrators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 ...and possibly see another track lost to the sport? If fans who spent time and money going to this match, decide not to go to any more, may get closed due to reducing income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 If fans who spent time and money going to this match, decide not to go to any more, may get closed due to reducing income. Obviously I feel sorry for those supporters who did travel to see the match but how many was that? The cancellation was on view on websites from mid-morning Sunday onwards, and I am sure that other would-be supporters made a check before travelling in view of the weekend's weather conditions. I do not dispute that action should note taken against Kevin Jolly/Mildenhall speedway but not to the extent that there is an enforced closure on the track! Punishment as outlined by John Leslie looks most adequate to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Here goes.... Luke Chessell claimed he had no machinery after problems with the two bikes used as a guest in a couple of PL meetings. Cradley booked Matt Williamson as a guest for the meeting (quite acceptable within current rules). Kevin Jolly blew a gasket and cancelled the meeting. On reflection he changed his mind and tried to get the meeting back on, but for whatever reason that wasn't possible. Social media goes into meltdown and KJ announces he's taking a short break from speedway. Quite a few people, unaware of the drama unfolding, turn up at West Row for the meeting and are quite rightly disappointed and angry. That's how I understand it. Please feel free to correct any inaccuracies I see, thank you Seems like a weird situation, I didn't know any of this was going on until last night, I hope it gets sorted out and Mildenhall speedway remains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 The second response (above) looks the ideal punishment for Mildenhall - especially as a possible precedent for a happening with similarities has been dealt with by the sport's administrators. Isn't removing points punishing the supporters and the riders ?? Who played no part in the incident Probably reward Cradley with the 4 points is a better option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Isn't removing points punishing the supporters and the riders ?? Who played no part in the incident Probably reward Cradley with the 4 points is a better option. Not sure even the scb can get Cradley any away points this season.......unless they sign him at reserve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Surely if they gift Cradley 4 points the authorities are letting down every club in the league Due to the level they're at I would say a suspended fine (with a major B******g) and a point or two deduction would suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_t Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Isn't removing points punishing the supporters and the riders ?? Who played no part in the incident Probably reward Cradley with the 4 points is a better option. The only way Cradley would get any away points this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 ...and possibly see another track lost to the sport? If you had a fractious relationship with your boss, then had a hissy fit with him and walked out on your job, would you expect to return to your job the following day, I doubt it. Mr jollys bosses are the paying public through the turnstiles each week, and they have been sadly let down because he spat out his dummy. Absolute disgrace and I hope the bspa deal with the situation in the strongest possible way and yes, if that means closure then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 If you had a fractious relationship with your boss, then had a hissy fit with him and walked out on your job, would you expect to return to your job the following day, I doubt it. Mr jollys bosses are the paying public through the turnstiles each week, and they have been sadly let down because he spat out his dummy. Absolute disgrace and I hope the bspa deal with the situation in the strongest possible way and yes, if that means closure then so be it.Anyone know how you dislike a post? I need to press the button and press it fast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Anyone know how you dislike a post? I need to press the button and press it fast Are you speedways Neville Chamberlain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Are you speedways Neville Chamberlain? Are you speedways Doctor Beeching? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL65 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Situations like this could be avoided if there was a structure in place whereby all postponements had to be approved by an independent higher authority (i.e. a person or panel with no vested interest) before being publicised and participants notified. That should not be too much to ask in this day and age where instant communication is so easy. A simplified rule book with regulations rigorously applied should be a pre-requisite for speedway, as it should for any form of organised sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 No extra rules are needed, they are already there. Add whatever checks and balances you like, but if someone in a position to influence the situation completely ignores them, it's a lost cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 It is a sad situation ,but it does reflect how the sport is run these days.Even die-hards will soon be calling enough is enough.Lets face it the sport is not attracting new fans anyway.Jolly's actions are typical of a lot of today's modern day Promoters.(it's my ball). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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