RobMcCaffery Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 You have a valid point there. Dunno if it's true, but I heard it said that Thomas Gollub would not sign for a British team because racing is on different days of the week, making personal schedules difficult. Sweden, Denmark & Poland have all meetings on the same day. Here each club decides which day of the week they'll hold meetings and riders have to fit in each team's schedule with their own. Funny how they could all fit the UK meetings in before the megabucks started flowing in Poland.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 As so many riders come out with at the moment, it is what it is, we need to do the best for British speedway as we can. If the bubble bursts in Poland then we have to try something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I hope it happens , could just be the shot in the arm our sport needs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I hope it happens , could just be the shot in the arm our sport needs The Polish speedway bubble is stretched beyond its true capacity, and soon it will pop, not this yr or next, but season 2018 will be the defining season...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 The Polish speedway bubble is stretched beyond its true capacity, and soon it will pop, not this yr or next, but season 2018 will be the defining season......why specifically that season may I ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) why specifically that season may I ask?I just think that the way money goes around in an economy, 2018 will be a really tough year for Polish Speedway. Paying big money, with sliding attendances, eventually catches up.... -----------:::::--------------- And on the promotion/relegation idea.... Something that worries me about promotion and relegation in UK speedway.. Getting this right is crucial.. if you have 2 divisions of say 12 teams, the top league will I assume have playoffs for the title, yes? Probably the top 4.. they will also have relegation playoffs, again, involving possibly the bottom 2, maybe 3? So that would be say 7 of the 12 teams involved after the main league fixtures have ended.... Who'd want to be in mid table mediocrity? 5 teams with no meaningful extra cash generating meetings at the end of the season, it's VERY important that this area is looked at... Otherwise, teams lower down in the league, could throw a match or two near the end of the season, to drop into the relegation playoffs places, to get themselves some additional meaningful cash generating meetings...... What do you think?? Edited June 21, 2016 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Would relegation play offs be money generating, or money draining for the top flight side facing relegation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 A must win confrontation, lose top flight status, be first club to be relegated? Wouldn't you go to watch that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 A must win confrontation, lose top flight status, be first club to be relegated? Wouldn't you go to watch that?? You might, but if they lost would you go next season to watch them against Redcar and other such ****? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I am in favour of movement between the leagues. However in football relegated teams release their better players to reduce their wage bill knowing their income will be reduced being lower down the structure. In Rugby League the team relegated each year from their Super League release their top earners. They are then usually snapped up by the team that's just been promoted as many of their players won't be good enough for the next level up. I see the same scenario in Speedway. Teams may be promoted & relegated, but many of the same riders will be in the same leagues. Super League doesn't relegate teams. It was a closed shop for over 10 years, teams having to apply for franchises every three years, and last year introduced the Super 8s whereby the bottom four teams in superleague and the top four in the championship played each other home and away with the top four earning a place in the following year's Superleague. Of course the four Superleague clubs all retained their places not least because their Salary Cap (the level of spending allowed for player wages) is almost double that of those in the Championship. Rugby League has a lot in common with speedway - most of its club are financial basketcases and many fans have a rose tinted view of a past world which never actually existed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 A must win confrontation, lose top flight status, be first club to be relegated? Wouldn't you go to watch that?? Why have a league season of 22 ish matches and then have to have a play off system to decide who gets relegated. .Surely in a pure league system bottom 3 get relegated , top 3 get promoted. Seems we need play offs to decide everything these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Why have a league season of 22 ish matches and then have to have a play off system to decide who gets relegated. .Surely in a pure league system bottom 3 get relegated , top 3 get promoted. Seems we need play offs to decide everything these days Yes, top or bottom, the actual league matches will merely be the qualifying competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Yes, top or bottom, the actual league matches will merely be the qualifying competition. As they are now. All the Elite league bosses talk about is finishing top 4 in a league of 8 hardly succes. You see teams away from home running with numerous guests with riders missing but it doesn't matter as long as your on course for the play offs. Every meeting should matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 As they are now. All the Elite league bosses talk about is finishing top 4 in a league of 8 hardly succes. You see teams away from home running with numerous guests with riders missing but it doesn't matter as long as your on course for the play offs. Every meeting should matter You missed my point... Perhaps that's my fault. To cut it short.. League of maybe 12 teams Top 4 play offs for title Bottom 2 or 3 play off against maybe top 1, 2, or 3 of League 2 My point was, who would want to end up in the mid-table 5 clubs..... Safe, but nowt to play for, no additional meaningful meetings.. Would a team in that mid table group of 5, maybe throw a match or 2 to drop into the relegation battle, they'd be must watch matches, rather than be in the group of 5 mid tablers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 As they are now. All the Elite league bosses talk about is finishing top 4 in a league of 8 hardly succes. You see teams away from home running with numerous guests with riders missing but it doesn't matter as long as your on course for the play offs. Every meeting should matterEvery meeting does count, hence getting the best riders in if someone is injured or whatever, wriggling round rules etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faffeng Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Sorry guys not a fan of promotion /relegation. Every time they try it clubs fail. They always use the 2nd tier when the elite/first division starts failing but the end result is always the same a league with hardly any teams in it. Scrap the elite and drop them into the premier if they want more meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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