dazzafl Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) The big question is who is the bigger man....Gavan or Robert72 The answer is the one who stops replying on this thread and gives the rest of the members some peace. You two clinging on are worse than Jeremy Corbyn ohh are we going to take it to politics now ?? jeremy corbyn is my dad... he isnt but wanted to find some humour haha i would say however if i had someone insulting my family etc.. i would do exactly the same as gavan Edited June 29, 2016 by Dazzafl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 ohh are we going to take it to politics now ?? jeremy corbyn is my dad... he isnt but wanted to find some humour haha i would say however if i had someone insulting my family etc.. i would do exactly the same as gavan I call it diversion tactics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 I call it diversion tactics ahh a true politician lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Disagree entirely and I'm not sure what criterion you're basing that on from this year? Rosco should pick 5 riders who he think will score the most points - if he believes in objective analysis then he'll look at all kinds of indicators, or he may just pick his favourites again, a bit like Brucie What indicator suggests either King or Nicholls should be picked over Harris? King has been poor for the most part this season, he hasn’t even been that dominant in the PL…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 What indicator suggests either King or Nicholls should be picked over Harris? King has been poor for the most part this season, he hasn’t even been that dominant in the PL…. What edges Nicholls over Harris is the fact that he's still racing in Poland & Sweden on a weekly basis scoring decent points & Belle Vue is his home track. Harris has been garbage everywhere except for riding for Coventry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) What edges Nicholls over Harris is the fact that he's still racing in Poland & Sweden on a weekly basis scoring decent points & Belle Vue is his home track. Harris has been garbage everywhere except for riding for Coventry If Nicholls was dominant at Belle Vue I would see a stronger case, but he isn’t really that great around there average wise, hasn’t raced in a World Cup or Grand Prix for the best of 3 years now. Even on his best day now I don’t see him as a serious game changer or a guy who springboards Team GB to a 3rd,2nd or 1st. For all Harris struggles and faults with form he does at least still have a podium place in the GP in him and the consistency in GB to beat the better rider in the league, which while not packed with the top stars still gives a better indicator of pace, which I don’t think either Nicholls, or in particular King have. If I had a choice of the 3 for a big race, a race where Team GB needed 3,2 or 1 point to take 3rd or 2nd, it would be Harris, Nicholls then King in that order, that probably decides it for me. Edited June 29, 2016 by The Mockingjay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Scotty's riding well and having seen a few EL & Swedish meetings on TV that he's been in, I'm impressed with how he's doing this season. At a guess it's Tai, Lambo, Bomber then between Scotty and Cookie for the last place. But hey what do I know.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Scotty's riding well and having seen a few EL & Swedish meetings on TV that he's been in, I'm impressed with how he's doing this season. At a guess it's Tai, Lambo, Bomber then between Scotty and Cookie for the last place. But hey what do I know.. About the same as the rest of us, pal. Harris, King, Nicholls? It's all much of a muchness really, (although I personally wouldn't have Nicholls anywhere near the team after boycotting the event for the last few years.) I said King after the British Final, but after his gp performance I'd pick Bomber now, as Mockingjay said he's able to lift himself for a big race as his semi-final in Prague showed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 About the same as the rest of us, pal. Harris, King, Nicholls? It's all much of a muchness really, (although I personally wouldn't have Nicholls anywhere near the team after boycotting the event for the last few years.) I said King after the British Final, but after his gp performance I'd pick Bomber now, as Mockingjay said he's able to lift himself for a big race as his semi-final in Prague showed. surely we can pick a rider after just one good meeting.. lets see what he does in cardiff if he flops then everyone will change their mind i am sure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 If Nicholls was dominant at Belle Vue I would see a stronger case, but he isn’t really that great around there average wise, hasn’t raced in a World Cup or Grand Prix for the best of 3 years now. Even on his best day now I don’t see him as a serious game changer or a guy who springboards Team GB to a 3rd,2nd or 1st. For all Harris struggles and faults with form he does at least still have a podium place in the GP in him and the consistency in GB to beat the better rider in the league, which while not packed with the top stars still gives a better indicator of pace, which I don’t think either Nicholls, or in particular King have. If I had a choice of the 3 for a big race, a race where Team GB needed 3,2 or 1 point to take 3rd or 2nd, it would be Harris, Nicholls then King in that order, that probably decides it for me. Just goes to show how people see things differently I suppose. How riding in the EL can be a "better indicator of pace" than winning races on the big Polish tracks I have no idea. Also, if Nicholls "isn't really that great" at the NSS then Harris, being worse, could be described as being hopeless there. Also had to smile at point about not having raced in a GP for 3 years - apart from Prague 2016, has Harris?!! One swallow doesn't make a summer and I don't think his results this year earns him a pick. We'll beg to differ, but whoever Rosco goes for, I will be cheering for them on 30th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 surely we can pick a rider after just one good meeting.. lets see what he does in cardiff if he flops then everyone will change their mind i am sure.. Are you talking about King or Harris? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) Just goes to show how people see things differently I suppose. How riding in the EL can be a "better indicator of pace" than winning races on the big Polish tracks I have no idea. Also, if Nicholls "isn't really that great" at the NSS then Harris, being worse, could be described as being hopeless there. Also had to smile at point about not having raced in a GP for 3 years - apart from Prague 2016, has Harris?!! One swallow doesn't make a summer and I don't think his results this year earns him a pick. We'll beg to differ, but whoever Rosco goes for, I will be cheering for them on 30th. It’s because you have selectively quoted part of a post…… I said his results against the top stars in the league give a better indicator of pace, can be on a small, middle sized or large track if you are beating the better riders it generally means you are going faster than them… RE Harris performances the last 3 years in the GP, yes, he has raced in other GP’s and World Cups, neither King nor Nicholls have looked like achieving that or been interested in achieving that, that isn’t Harris’s fault or something that should be used against him. That’s what I meant earlier re selective judgment of Harris – he has been crap in the Grand Prix….yes, during that time King hasn’t been that great in the PL and Nicholls has been pretty mediocre in the EL. Edited June 29, 2016 by The Mockingjay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Are you talking about King or Harris? both really... but harriss was terrible at the national stadium.. its a really tough call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Bomber lambert cook king bates would be my choice but I feel rosco will go tai,bomber,lambert,king,ellis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 both really... but harriss was terrible at the national stadium.. its a really tough call. On the one hand it would be nice to see Danny King get picked as a reward for his British Final win, but obviously the gp has much better riders competing in it. For example, if Bartosz Zmarzlik was in that meeting he probably would've won all his races by half a lap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 It’s because you have selectively quoted part of a post…… I said his results against the top stars in the league give a better indicator of pace, can be on a small, middle sized or large track if you are beating the better riders it generally means you are going faster than them… RE Harris performances the last 3 years in the GP, yes, he has raced in other GP’s and World Cups, neither King nor Nicholls have looked like achieving that or been interested in achieving that, that isn’t Harris’s fault or something that should be used against him. That’s what I meant earlier re selective judgment of Harris – he has been crap in the Grand Prix….yes, during that time King hasn’t been that great in the PL and Nicholls has been pretty mediocre in the EL. Ok, I'll bite. If you don't be selective over a post and the parts within, how can you debate because all you'd do is say "I think he should" and you'd respond "I think he shouldn't" - wouldn't question time be even duller! So, your first poitn about Harris doing better in the BEL this year - I counter that with the opinion that there are more top stars riding in the Swedish Elite league, whom Nicholls is beating and that is a greater "indicator of pace" to me, using your criterion. It is of course impossible to say how King or Nicholls would have fared in the GPs over the last 3 years because they haven't been in them - that's what evidence is all about!! I am using the evidence of their competition with "top stars" and at the track they'll be racing on. Simple really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) Ok, I'll bite. If you don't be selective over a post and the parts within, how can you debate because all you'd do is say "I think he should" and you'd respond "I think he shouldn't" - wouldn't question time be even duller! So, your first poitn about Harris doing better in the BEL this year - I counter that with the opinion that there are more top stars riding in the Swedish Elite league, whom Nicholls is beating and that is a greater "indicator of pace" to me, using your criterion. It is of course impossible to say how King or Nicholls would have fared in the GPs over the last 3 years because they haven't been in them - that's what evidence is all about!! I am using the evidence of their competition with "top stars" and at the track they'll be racing on. Simple really. Quite easily, by debating what people actually say, you’ve literally managed to do it in your post there re your point about Nicholls…. Re the second part, you are using how Harris performs in the GP as a barometer of his talent and form, you made reference to his Grand Prix performances, those performances are at the top level of the sport, it is something neither King nor Nicholls are anywhere near - that alone is an indication in where the riders sit. A Danish fan for example wouldn’t want someone like Mads K to replace NKI because NKI hasn’t been that good in the GP this season, it doesn’t make Mads a better rider. Edited June 29, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Bomber lambert cook king bates would be my choice but I feel rosco will go tai,bomber,lambert,king,ellis Yes, there is the merest scintilla of a possibility that Tai might just squeeze into the manager's thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Yes, there is the merest scintilla of a possibility that Tai might just squeeze into the manager's thoughts. That's the other worry a manager as weak as rosco in charge, much prefer middlo or Morton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 That's the other worry a manager as weak as rosco in charge, much prefer middlo or Morton I dont think for one second even if midlo or morton was involved that Tai would be left out of the team.. he is by far the most experienced and heavy scoring of any GB rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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