Dawkins20 Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 No brainer to go with Josh G's experience. What experience? Its his first time riding in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 I think it is disgusting dropping Brady he rode his heart out last night. It could back fire on them as Josh can have some terrible mettings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 After watching last nights performance, there is a very strong chance of The British lads beating the Ausiies, they just did not gel again. I think it is disgusting dropping Brady he rode his heart out last night. It could back fire on them as Josh can have some terrible mettings. You're right, they were terrible. Oh wait, they won. Kurtz hasn't been 'dropped'. He is still the U-21 rider as he was last night. Are you trying to take Starmans mantle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 What experience? Its his first time riding in the team. General speedway experience. Didn't work out but without hindsight was a sensible call. With hindsight Kurtz probably would have scored more but would they really have finished any higher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 Glad that Great Britain got silver, but I think the Aussies made the wrong choice in bringing in Josh instead of letting Brady take his place that he showed he diserved in the final, reserve or not there is no saying that he could not have rode and brought in another under u21 in his place. Can't say I am to sorry to see them lose as they are such a load of pompus know it all who have the opinion that they deserve to win the SWC year in year out. Never liked them as a team from when England knocked them out of the cometition at Kings Lynne all those years ago, when they where laughing and making fun of the British team until they started to get on the losing end of things then the smiles sudenly disapeared off of thier faces. No I am not taking Starmans side, I just think he rode his heart out on Friday and he deserved his place in the team on Saturday, win or lose, they lost big time so now we will never know how well they would have done with him in the team, do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 Right team picked IMHO. If lambert cook and king get 5 a piece I think they have done a solid job. Then really need woffy to score close to 20. 35 points would likely be enough for 2nd?Not far off! Great effort from the boys, Roscoe got it spot on. Anyone still think tai would have got his set up better if he had flown back at the last minute for the extra practice instead of testing in Poland as planned?Funny to see people giving Doyle grief, when so many were saying the same thing about gb being seeded. Suspect the comments about "weak gb" and "Denmark stronger without nicki" had more than a small element of wind up. In contrast with Rosco, lemon got tactics wrong on the night, and Josh ahead of Kurtz, Morris even batch was always dubious. Congrats to team gb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Must confess I've only just seen the result, and I haven't read the previous 40-odd pages, but it did occur to me that there must be something wrong with the race format and/or scoring system when a one-man team can finish second in a major international team event..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 I am not entirely sure Rosco did get it spot on – I appreciate some will say a silver medal says otherwise but 13 points from 3 riders is a pretty poor contribution. The lowest of any second place team in recent memory, by a considerable distance. It isn’t that outlandish a statement to say Britain could have won that if other choices had been taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 With the current World Cup format, we'll need a lot more points than those. So I wasn't far wrong was I foamfence? I stated that 31 or 32 points would be more than enough and we got silver with 32! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 I am not entirely sure Rosco did get it spot on I appreciate some will say a silver medal says otherwise but 13 points from 3 riders is a pretty poor contribution. The lowest of any second place team in recent memory, by a considerable distance. It isnt that outlandish a statement to say Britain could have won that if other choices had been taken. Tbf the only other viable option was Harris. He averages about 5 in gps, last night's field was a little weaker, maybe he'd have scored 7ish. Against that, he has been awful round belle Vue and given the need for quick engines no guarantee he would have outscored any of the side. Similarly not convinced Nicholls or s worall would have scored more. And of course had we done better early on we would not have had the tai ts/joker ride which arguably gained us a 6 point swing (3 for the Joker, he scored probably 2 more than king would have and the opposition scored one less). Right team, right ts/joker IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Tbf the only other viable option was Harris. He averages about 5 in gps, last night's field was a little weaker, maybe he'd have scored 7ish. Against that, he has been awful round belle Vue and given the need for quick engines no guarantee he would have outscored any of the side. Similarly not convinced Nicholls or s worall would have scored more. And of course had we done better early on we would not have had the tai ts/joker ride which arguably gained us a 6 point swing (3 for the Joker, he scored probably 2 more than king would have and the opposition scored one less). Right team, right ts/joker IMHO. Correct, the argument that we had one of the lowest scoring second places is crazy as well. If all four teams are competitive, the scores will be lower. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Of course there was a one man team in the competition,but he chose not to race in the race off, preferring to give youngsters like Billy janniro an opportunity instead... And of course our weakest three riders outscored the three lowest scoring aussies in the final.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 So I wasn't far wrong was I foamfence? I stated that 31 or 32 points would be more than enough and we got silver with 32! No, indeed you weren't but I thought you were meaning 'to win it' anyway I was very pleased with our silver and that "weak" team getting FA ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) Tbf the only other viable option was Harris. He averages about 5 in gps, last night's field was a little weaker, maybe he'd have scored 7ish. Against that, he has been awful round belle Vue and given the need for quick engines no guarantee he would have outscored any of the side. Similarly not convinced Nicholls or s worall would have scored more. And of course had we done better early on we would not have had the tai ts/joker ride which arguably gained us a 6 point swing (3 for the Joker, he scored probably 2 more than king would have and the opposition scored one less). Right team, right ts/joker IMHO. I don’t think it is out of the question to assume Harris would have scored more than 3 in all honesty - Lambert rode better than his score suggests I will admit that but it is still 3 points, Cook a ride apart though was pretty poor, it feels like an opportunity missed IMO, irrespective of how the joker played out, who knows, with riders scoring more than 3 or 5 maybe you just lead the meeting and don’t need a joker. Edited August 1, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 I don’t think it is out of the question to assume Harris would have scored more than 3 in all honesty - Lambert rode better than his score suggests I will admit that but it is still 3 points, Cook a ride apart though was pretty poor, it feels like an opportunity missed IMO, irrespective of how the joker played out, who knows, with riders scoring more than 3 or 5 maybe you just lead the meeting and don’t need a joker. We might well not have had such a big score from Tai and that would have evened things out if another rider had scored a few more points. We need to look to the future and Chris and Scott aint it, yes I am aware of Cookies age but he's still on the up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) We might well not have had such a big score from Tai and that would have evened things out if another rider had scored a few more points. We need to look to the future and Chris and Scott aint it, yes I am aware of Cookies age but he's still on the up. I appreciate there is a egg/chicken and aunt uncle balls element to it all, but I don't think a side is picked with the proviso of "score poorly get joker", although to be fair if it was 3 of the side did execute that superbly. I find the “looking to the future” argument a bit redundant when talking about a World Cup meeting personally. The best chance to win World Cups is on the night of the meeting. I would also be more inclined to buy into the idea of building for the future if it hadn’t been King and Cook used, in all honesty the only lesson learned re Cook on Saturday IMO anyway, is that he isn’t going to make it at the top level. Edited August 1, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 I appreciate there is a egg/chicken and aunt uncle balls element to it all, but I don't think a side is picked with the proviso of "score poorly get joker", although to be fair if it was 3 of the side did execute that superbly. I find the “looking to the future” argument a bit redundant when talking about a World Cup meeting personally. The best chance to win World Cups is on the night of the meeting. I would also be more inclined to buy into the idea of building for the future if it hadn’t been King and Cook used, in all honesty the only lesson learned re Cook on Saturday IMO anyway, is that he isn’t going to make it at the top level. Well you can't really judge that on just this meeting. Anyone unfamiliar might have come away thinking the same about Lindback. Do you carry on forever with those who have a proven record of failure, or do you try something different? I think it was the right selection. "Looking to the future" was meant to mean trying riders who are as good as you've got but who might learn and do better next time. I like Chris and I've been desperate for him to do better in the GPs but I fear that something inside him has been lost, the pile of engines and tuners that he's gone through over recent years, seems to suggest that, especially when others breeze past him using the same engines and tuners. It would have taken an exceptionally good side to beat the Poles in my opinion and I don't think any of our permutations can come up with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 While it was a good result for Team GB,for me Robert Lamberts effort and track skills showed how good he really is for someone so young where as Cook and King are easily brushed aside if they don't get a clear run and are "one line wonders" on a big fast track.These young Poles have everything speed,track craft and are world class.Cook and King are not IMO . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 While it was a good result for Team GB,for me Robert Lamberts effort and track skills showed how good he really is for someone so young where as Cook and King are easily brushed aside if they don't get a clear run and are "one line wonders" on a big fast track.These young Poles have everything speed,track craft and are world class.Cook and King are not IMO . Yet King and Cook were heat winners, take your point on Lambert, I hope he is in the Team GB for many years to come. Hopefully next season he will continue in our EL but pick up contracts in Poland and/or Sweden as I think that will further his career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) Well you can't really judge that on just this meeting. Anyone unfamiliar might have come away thinking the same about Lindback. Do you carry on forever with those who have a proven record of failure, or do you try something different? I think it was the right selection. "Looking to the future" was meant to mean trying riders who are as good as you've got but who might learn and do better next time. I like Chris and I've been desperate for him to do better in the GPs but I fear that something inside him has been lost, the pile of engines and tuners that he's gone through over recent years, seems to suggest that, especially when others breeze past him using the same engines and tuners. It would have taken an exceptionally good side to beat the Poles in my opinion and I don't think any of our permutations can come up with that. It wasn’t learned on the basis of one meeting re Cook rather that meeting being a culmination of a number of meetings at the top level pieced together now. Cook was really poor other than one ride, the result of the team (Woffinden) doesn’t gleam over that for me personally. It really wouldn’t have taken an exceptionally good side to beat Poland, a team with Craig Cook, Danny King and Lambert scoring 3 nearly done it. Fair play to King and Cook in particular for their medals and to some of what I am saying might sound overly harsh to some, but they neither performed above standard on the night nor offered any kind of performance that makes me think either should be selected again. To not look at that meeting and think what might have been is slightly off centre thinking for me. Edited August 1, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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