Tigerite Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Ellisvwas riding with a broken collarbone in the World u21's at Lynn. Bates had home track advantage at Sheffield and only won, fairly, because Ellis had gated and was blocking the outside run of Lambert alowing Bates to go up the inside. Ahh the old home track advantage excuse, if Ellis was head and shoulders above Bates (as you say) he would have won whatever track it was on. Edited July 23, 2016 by Tigerite 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 No case for Harris to be picked Of course there was a case. Ahh the old home track advantage excuse, if Ellis was head and shoulders above Bates (as you say) he would have won whatever track it was on. This. Bates was also carrying an injury in the world u21 round. What the excuse that he's won the British u21 TWICE plus the u19. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Of course there was a case. There wasnt hes been shocking every time at BV, terrible when up against the opposition he will face and is getting on so not going to get any better. The fact hes ok at Coventry doesnt mean a thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Not the team I would of picked , would of gone for Harris or worrall over cook and bates over Ellis at reserve but it only matters what 1 person thinks and as long as they give their all we are behind them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Doubt there would be a late change of mind. That would make Rosco look weak and indecisive. if they are not allowed to practice in the seven days leading up to the event, what is the point of having a nss which is not being used? The squad should have been up there doing hundreds of laps by now. Not a change per say but if Cook has a bad practice Steve can step in I fully agree about the practice situation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCookster Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I would echo the view posted by several on here already and have the main team as: Woffinden King Cook Lambert If you are going to make use of home track advantage then, surely you go with a team of British riders who have proven themselves around the new Belle Vue track. The best indicator you have of that at the moment was last night's meeting. King, Cook and Lambert clearly performed better than anyone else. It would be madness not to select the current world champion, so Woffinden should be the other member of the team. I have no strong feelings as to who rides at reserve. If you had total flexibility to use the reserve for an underperforming rider then I could see sense in using Lambert in that role with someone else stepping into the main team, but as the reserve can only be used in the case of injury, then Lambert would be wasted there in that case. Ellis seems a reasonable shout. I thought it was the right team to pick back in mid-June and still think it is the best selection that could have been made. There is no doubt that Rosco would have been under pressure to make alternative choices - especially sentimental pressure for Harris to be included - but he has resisted that emotional pressure and made sound selections. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 There wasnt hes been shocking every time at BV, terrible when up against the opposition he will face and is getting on so not going to get any better. The fact hes ok at Coventry doesnt mean a thing He has come 3rd in a GP this season so there is a case. Also forgetting previous SWC performances and handling the pressure which should count for something. His scores round there haven't been great but he's beaten Cook twice out of 4 league races around there. As I said i wouldn't have picked him but to say he didn't have a case is just not correct. Most other tracks I'd say he would've been in the side. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 There is only one person who thinks Ellis is 'head and shoulders' above Bates and they are a Poole fan which unfortunately dilutes their opinion. Hope I'm wrong but the selection of Ellis over the British U21 champion and the rider who is joint 4th in the World U21 standings smells a bit of Poole old boys network. Hopefully Ellis won't be called upon as he will be way, way out of his depth, as Bates would have been. Great experience for them to be involved though (they should both be there in the pits). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Can't fault the selection but what does it say about the state of British Speedway when all the riders who ride in the UK are riding in the Premier League, which is supposedly the 2nd tier of racing! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 The obvious selections in my opinion. I'm a massive Bomber fan but he just doesn't deserve a place and I'm glad Scotty wasn't picked after opting out the last few years, plus it means he'll be in the studio with Natalie. (Just think, it could've been Havvy!) Hopefully we'll do ourselves proud and who knows, maybe nick a medal. After all, Sweden were expected to finish 4th last year so miracles do happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 There is only one person who thinks Ellis is 'head and shoulders' above Bates and they are a Poole fan which unfortunately dilutes their opinion. Hope I'm wrong but the selection of Ellis over the British U21 champion and the rider who is joint 4th in the World U21 standings smells a bit of Poole old boys network. Hopefully Ellis won't be called upon as he will be way, way out of his depth, as Bates would have been. Great experience for them to be involved though (they should both be there in the pits). Rosco seems to think he's better too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 The obvious selections in my opinion. I'm a massive Bomber fan but he just doesn't deserve a place and I'm glad Scotty wasn't picked after opting out the last few years, plus it means he'll be in the studio with Natalie. (Just think, it could've been Havvy!) Hopefully we'll do ourselves proud and who knows, maybe nick a medal. After all, Sweden were expected to finish 4th last year so miracles do happen. I hope Bomber takes the same route as Scott and opts out , concentrate on himself , stuff Rossiter and the plastic brit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Spot on i would say, he was forced to go with at least one Belle Vue rider let's be honest about this even though Worrall apart Cook and Nicholls are both inconsistent around there but most would only moan if he left all 3 out, as for the other picks Tai, Ruthless and King pick themselves with there recent form and exploits and there would only be a case for Harris if he wasnt so embarrassing at Cardiff, still surprised at the lack of knowledge by some moaning on facebook that we shouldnt go with Ellis at reserve and should had picked Nicholls lmfao how thick are some read the f*****g rules people and also some clamouring for Lambert to go at reserve? What's the point of that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Can't fault the selection but what does it say about the state of British Speedway when all the riders who ride in the UK are riding in the Premier League, which is supposedly the 2nd tier of racing! ALL British riders should be allowed to ride in both leagues. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Can't fault the selection but what does it say about the state of British Speedway when all the riders who ride in the UK are riding in the Premier League, which is supposedly the 2nd tier of racing! 3 riders who ride in the British 2nd division and 1 who doesn't even ride in British Speedway and the team gb manager picks a 1-5 full of Aussies for his British club side swindon, Says it all about why British Speedway is a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Well done Alan Rossiter. I think you have picked the best team and the team I would have picked. It is close with Ellis and Bates but probably right to pick Ellis who has been in good form. Lets hope he uses his joker wisely and good luck to the British team in the final. Hopefully Ellis won't be called upon as he will be way, way out of his depth, as Bates would have been. The term out of depth is a little harsh as both riders have beaten GP and World Cup riders this year such as Ellis beating Jonsson (on his own track), Harris and King and Bates has beaten Holder and a few others. To be honest, I thought Robert Lambert last year looked more out of depth going against Greg Hancock and Bartosz Zmarzlik but he performed admirably so you never know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Steve Worrall has made significant progress and he deserves his place as a standby but people need to remember that his current average had been achieved mainly riding at reserve and as a second string whereas Cook is riding as a heat leader. Even then Cook's average this season at the NSS is almost half a point higher than Worrall's. Edited July 23, 2016 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Rosco seems to think he's better too Better would be fair enough, 'head and shoulders above' isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 i would say so, he's nearly 6 foot tall ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Not keen on the under 21 reserve idea TBH . it think each team should have to actually include an under 21 .for the competiton to become more open then some mandatory weakening of teams is necessary . once nations like latvia ,and croatia have teams that could really challenge for world honours ,not just make up the numbers .speedway may make some inroads in those countries . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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