hyderd Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Totally agree regarding King, Lambert needs to be in the team though so one of Worrall/Nicholls should be left out of the dry track team. Worrall is proven round our new track whereas Lambert isn't (World U21 was abandoned to soon to get a proper look at him), also to prove my point Steve equaled M Zagar's track record in heat 1 last Monday night,I'm not saying he will beat the might of the main countries Poland, Denmark and indeed Australia, but if he gates, and that he can then I would fancy his chances. If team GB are serious about bringing on the youngsters then I would leave out Scotty and bring in Lambert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 the best way to bring on youngsters is by giving a test series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) the best way to bring on youngsters is by giving a test seriesAgreed. And a 3 test series against aussie including one at the nss (others at poole and one other track?)would help sort the swc squad as well. You have to think it could be financially viable, and both teams have UK based squads, the issue would be scheduling. I doubt tai would be available, but possibly for one at the nss to give him a meeting before the swc. Edited June 15, 2016 by waihekeaces1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Agreed. And a 3 test series against audience, including one at the nss (others at poole and one other track?)would help sort the swc squad as well. You have to think it could be financially viable, and both teams have UK based squads, the issue would be flscheduling. I doubt tai would be available, but possibly for one at the nss to give him a meeting before the swc. ????? ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Leslie Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Woffinden and Cook are nailed on certainties. Lambert not far behind. The reserve berth doesn't really mean much, but the best U-21 we could pick is Adam Ellis. It's just the 4th spot that's tricky.... King, Nicholls, Harris, Garrity, the Woralls could all come into contention, but I think I'd give it to King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) Cook is a funny one... I don't think he is worth the investment, he isn't going to become a world beater and has been pretty average in the continental meetings he has raced in he has never really put serious points on the board which Nicholls and Harris can both say Edited June 16, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Woffinden, Lambert and Cook are obvious. 4th rider is Nicholls or King. Neither is really good enough for the World Cup really but at least with King there is a chance he could give another British Final type performance. I don't think Nicholls has that in him anymore. The reserve doesn't really matter. They will be out of their depth. It's a bit like arguing about who will be the third string quarterback on an NFL team. It doesn't matter because if you have to use them you are screwed anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 I would go with Woffinden, Cook, King & Nicholls with Lambert at reserve, although Lambert could easily take King's place in my view. I think Cook is fast starting enough to have success in the WC and Nicholls is beating & mixing with the big guns in Sweden this year and these are the guys that'll be in the WC - this is maybe why I'd take Lambert over King as well because he's shown before he is not scared of the big occasion internationally but they have both had very inconsistent seasons this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 I would pick Bates in front of Ellis (Ie) anyway in my view Bates has impressed me Ellis i like but he is light years from being a Top 5 rider in theEL .Saying that he has made huge progress this year we shall see. Why again would you AGAIN consider Garrity puzzling.,! Bate or Ellis, 12 months ago was Bates but this season Ellis has been pretty good. Even scored a few points as a heat leader. TBH, it's irrelevant as I hope nobody get injured so they won't get a ride and both should be there in the pits. As for Garrity, well for the 4th rider we have to pick from Harris, Nicholls, Worrall, Garrity, King sort of riders. Harris and Nicholls are yesterdays men, in fact Nicholls never did it when he was at his best, he was often crap in the SWC. Harris no longer does it outside of the EL and he can't get around the NSS in the EL. You're left with King, Worrall and Garrity. King again has had a few chances, never done it and we're picking him off the back of one meeting really. So you're down to Worrall or Garrity. Nowt between them but Garrity is almost 3 years younger and in the recent BV/Coventry meeting was better than Worrall - Worrall beat draft riders while Garrity beat (form the back) Cook and Nicholls. I just don't rate Worrall that high, he's ok but he'll never amount to much, Garrity could if he calms down and make a few changes. Who would you have as the 4th man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 I would go with Woffinden, Cook, King & Nicholls with Lambert at reserve, although Lambert could easily take King's place in my view. I think Cook is fast starting enough to have success in the WC and Nicholls is beating & mixing with the big guns in Sweden this year and these are the guys that'll be in the WC - this is maybe why I'd take Lambert over King as well because he's shown before he is not scared of the big occasion internationally but they have both had very inconsistent seasons this year. Nicholls is ripping it up so much in the Swedish league he's 41st in the averages scoring 40 points from 30 rides. 5.33 average in British Speedway. Not that great really is it?? I don't get why people keep selecting Lambert as reserve either, it makes no sense at all as the reserve can only replace ill or injured riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 It is noticeable that reading this thread, the one on the British Final thread and the one on the SWC thread that very few have Chris Harris anywhere Team GB, one wonders if Rossiter will feel the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 1. Woffinden 2. King 3. Cooke 4. Lambert / S.Worrall and a reserve.. as much i like Harriss and Nicholls as riders they are just not there.. yes nicholls come back monday but we cannot afford that in the SWC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) Agreed. And a 3 test series against aussie including one at the nss (others at poole and one other track?)would help sort the swc squad as well. You have to think it could be financially viable, and both teams have UK based squads, the issue would be scheduling. I doubt tai would be available, but possibly for one at the nss to give him a meeting before the swc. Wondered and posted on here somewhere if Rosco could arrange something like this when he was taken on as GB Manager, all the Brit and Aussie riders are in the UK so should be possible if time can be found between the fixtures. The younger Brit and Aussie riders need the experience and if one could be at BV that would be great for them. Meetings could be Swindon or Poole, somewhere in the midlands or Peterborough, then Belle Vue. Some of the gate receipts could go to the National Teams and even the Ben Fund. Edited June 16, 2016 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Makes no difference who we choose. Poland. Dudek KK Zmarslik Janowski Denmark Pedersen NKI Kildermand Andersen Australia Holder Doyle Fricke Batchelor / Masters Sweden Lindback Jonsson Lindgren Nilsson Russia Sufudinov Laguta Laguta Gafurov? If were were not hosts we wouldnt be in the final. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Woffinden, Lambert and Cook are obvious. 4th rider is Nicholls or King. Neither is really good enough for the World Cup really but at least with King there is a chance he could give another British Final type performance. I don't think Nicholls has that in him anymore. The reserve doesn't really matter. They will be out of their depth. It's a bit like arguing about who will be the third string quarterback on an NFL team. It doesn't matter because if you have to use them you are screwed anyway. Nicholls doesnt have it in him anymore? Is this the same Scott Nicholls that has finished in front of Danny King EVERY time they have met at Belle Vue this season?? Nicholls is decent enough to be the 4th rider ahead of King though if it was King i wouldnt argue Makes no difference who we choose. Poland. Dudek KK Zmarslik Janowski Denmark Pedersen NKI Kildermand Andersen Australia Holder Doyle Fricke Batchelor / Masters Sweden Lindback Jonsson Lindgren Nilsson Russia Sufudinov Laguta Laguta Gafurov? If were were not hosts we wouldnt be in the final. I get your point but the Aussies and Swedes arent stand outs in my view. Tai is better than Holder and Lindback Cook isnt as good as Doyle or Lindback but could around his home track be more than capable of beating them and Holder for that matter. Lambert is as good as Fricke and on his day could beat Lindgren (though it is Frickes home track. Nicholls or King are as good as if not better than Batchelor/Masters and Nilsson especially at Belle Vue So with great home support im sure we could have qualified for the final if we needed to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 i think on a good day, the brits could steal 2nd. clearly weaker than Danes and Poles, but i think comparable to the aussies, swededs and rssians around the NSS. The Polish team looks fantastic on paper, but 3.4 are young and wont have ridden NSS before, and KK can have the odd off day - the track should suit them though. Can't see us finishing ahead if the Danes, with any luck the Danes will get nocked out before the final, but think they must be favourites to qualify from their (very tough) semi final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Makes no difference who we choose. Poland. Dudek KK Zmarslik Janowski Denmark Pedersen NKI Kildermand Andersen Australia Holder Doyle Fricke Batchelor / Masters Sweden Lindback Jonsson Lindgren Nilsson Russia Sufudinov Laguta Laguta Gafurov? If were were not hosts we wouldnt be in the final. But we are and on the day you never know most of listed riders have never seen the track before.The Brits will have a very large crowd cheering them on.So its the best chance we have had in years so keep the faith.If every thing clicks on the night we might just kick some ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) Nicholls doesnt have it in him anymore? Is this the same Scott Nicholls that has finished in front of Danny King EVERY time they have met at Belle Vue this season?? Nicholls is decent enough to be the 4th rider ahead of King though if it was King i wouldnt argue I think they are 4a and 4b. Maybe they just pick whoever is going better at the time. Nicholls would probably score 4 or 5. King could score 10 or 0. For me, if you hope to win you need the 10 from King and hope you don't get the 0. Edited June 16, 2016 by AlanF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Nicholls shouldn't be considered For years he refused to ride, when GB had to qualify As soon as GB get a staging country pass through to the final, suddenly he's happy to make himself available Shouldn't even be under consideration 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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