CB252 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Why did they need to do a test when two perfectly workable 6 man 15 heat formats were employed in the Elite League in 1997 and 1998? Can't they remember that far back? The 1997 format had 12 programmed heats and 3 nominated, whilst the 1998 format involved 14 programmed and one nominated heat, but a bizarre permanent R/R was employed for the missing 7th rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Why did they need to do a test when two perfectly workable 6 man 15 heat formats were employed in the Elite League in 1997 and 1998? Can't they remember that far back? The 1997 format had 12 programmed heats and 3 nominated, whilst the 1998 format involved 14 programmed and one nominated heat, but a bizarre permanent R/R was employed for the missing 7th rider. Mainly because it was bloody useless in 1997. Last three heats all nominations was a nightmare, especially if you had injuries. Couldn't dump it quick enough. In the PL we didn't have 6 man teams in 1998. Edited June 9, 2016 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Mainly because it was bloody useless in 1997. Last three heats all nominations was a nightmare, especially if you had injuries. Couldn't dump it quick enough. I think the issue with injuries will always blight any 6 man format. Could make every team have a junior nominated as no 7 I suppose. Just watching a Danish meeting from last night and they employ 5 man teams over 14 heats. Kildemand and Andersen seem to meet every time they take to the track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Mainly because it was bloody useless in 1997. Last three heats all nominations was a nightmare, especially if you had injuries. Couldn't dump it quick enough. In the PL we didn't have 6 man teams in 1998. Nothing wrong with the format now, just wants a little tinkering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Nothing wrong with the format now, just wants a little tinkering. The format now is rubbish as it's skewed all the averages. I'd favour a return to the original 15 heat format used in 1988 BL, but I'd push the second reserves race back to heat 12 thus ensuring that all the top boys are in each of the last three heats. I'm talking about race formats as if I'll actually have a team to watch next year! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 How would this work? I think it would be a good idea get rid of the EDR and just have some decent racing. I don't really understand the fuss about having British riders in the EL because there are not enough to go around. EL should be about having good racing with have the PL for letting British riders find there feet then they can move up. Which riders are currently good British riders who are actually great to watch. Tai, Cook, Harris( still not GP standard rider), Lambert, S Worrall, Ellis. I don't think Garrity or Newman ever going to make the grade so get rid of it. I think any British club should take pride in getting riders to GP standard. As a Poole fan I take great pride in Holder, Magic and of course Darcy getting to the standard and I'm sure Matt wants to get Brady, J. Holder to that level. We need the EL for the sake of British racing. As a young speedway fan(in U6th) you might call me a speedway snob by all I have ever known is GP riders and without them I would think about going to watch speedway because there is nothing better than watching heat 13 with big riders going against each other. One heat out of fifteen is brilliant, I don't think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 The format now is rubbish as it's skewed all the averages. I'd favour a return to the original 15 heat format used in 1988 BL, but I'd push the second reserves race back to heat 12 thus ensuring that all the top boys are in each of the last three heats. I'm talking about race formats as if I'll actually have a team to watch next year! Clearly you deliberately left out the rest. I said it needs a little tinkering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Bcmma Cook Posted June 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Would anyone sign up to the Online Streaming? or is this just too technically advanced for the people running the sport to put together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Clearly you deliberately left out the rest. I said it needs a little tinkering. Tinkering? It needs scrapping. It served a purpose and you could gloss over it's failing when it protected draft riders but it is rubbish now. I should have been one season with the "new" format and EDRs stay in reserve, a season with the PL style 15 heat format but reserve stay in reserve and then a season of the PL style 15 heat format but EDRs could move into the 1-5. Allows progression, not the crap they've come up with and used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Tinkering? It needs scrapping. It served a purpose and you could gloss over it's failing when it protected draft riders but it is rubbish now. I should have been one season with the "new" format and EDRs stay in reserve, a season with the PL style 15 heat format but reserve stay in reserve and then a season of the PL style 15 heat format but EDRs could move into the 1-5. Allows progression, not the crap they've come up with and used. The system imo is nowhere near finished in serving it's purpose. Not unless we're happy having just Steve Worrall and Jason Garrity as progress for the next 10 years. EDR's should remain but the rider's in those positions should have a life span. No over 25's or 3 seasons as an EDR. Simply remove the 2 protected heats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Would anyone sign up to the Online Streaming? or is this just too technically advanced for the people running the sport to put together? Yes, 100%. I have commented before that having moved to the US, there is absolutely no way for British Speedway to monetize my interest, other than my online Speedway Star subscription. They simply have to generate revenue streams that don't rely on people coming into the stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 The system imo is nowhere near finished in serving it's purpose. Not unless we're happy having just Steve Worrall and Jason Garrity as progress for the next 10 years. EDR's should remain but the rider's in those positions should have a life span. No over 25's or 3 seasons as an EDR. Simply remove the 2 protected heats. But we had to get it going by protecting the riders as in season 1 they weren't good enough. It was a huge thing when Garrity beat a heat leader at the end of the season for example. Season 2 they needed a little help. Now we get to where we are today but IMO should be the proper format. Then next season we'd look to promote a new #7 for each club and have a rule that the #7 has to ride at #7 like the PL (the format means the 7 always rides a reserve in all heats) and a rule that you have to have any other 2 other EDR riders in your 1-6 so that the likes of Newman, Ellis, Starke etc can't be dumped. The season after that the protected #7 would be allowed to move into the 1-5 if they performed and the season after that you once again have a protected number 7. It would basically be a constant rolling 3 year programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I respect your opinion, however I disagree with the last sentence.how many top names ride in British speedway now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 how many top names ride in British speedway now ? Kasprzak, Zagar, Harris, Jonsson, Nilsson, Iversen, Batchelor, Doyle, Holder, Buczkowski, Andersen, Lindgren. what is your point? If the point is not as many as 5 years ago then thanks for naming the obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Out of interest...how many British riders are there, that ride Speedway in this country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Out of interest...how many British riders are there, that ride Speedway in this country? Don't know but let us know when you find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Kasprzak, Zagar, Harris, Jonsson, Nilsson, Iversen, Batchelor, Doyle, Holder, Buczkowski, Andersen, Lindgren. what is your point? If the point is not as many as 5 years ago then thanks for naming the obvious. He did say "top names". Those highlighted imo certainly don't come under that bracket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Out of interest...how many British riders are there, that ride Speedway in this country? Not enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 He did say "top names". Those highlighted imo certainly don't come under that bracket Harris and Jonsson ride in the GP's, Buczkowski has ridden for Poland in the World Cup. So they certainly DO come under that bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Interesting thread this, one thats been discussed many times. Personally, I like nothing better than seeing Niels in full flow. To me he is at the top of his trade, and gives me so much pleasure just watching him perform......... as does most of the top rider..... ( not all of them mind). Our sport has been allow to decline on a yearly basis. The popularity has been banished with badly thought out ideas. The cost of these top riders has become a luxury, that some clubs now, cant afford. So New plans without these top riders have to be the considered. We cannot run our sport on the sole purpose of seeing these top performers at the extent of the lesser ones. Having frequented the EESG this year, It has shown me, that when the track is prepared well and the teams have riders who want to race, the entertainment is first class, proving those 'top riders' are not that important. The product of speedway racing was as it should be, fast, furious and exciting with close racing. The attendance appeared to be similar to those at Lynn. Both venues need to up their promotion and presentation and the cost of them Pies need to be addressed. but looking at it as a complete package I am sure that if the BSPA of both divisions worked together, we could find an adequate answer to most problems... Probably the BSPA will take on board when thinking about new ideas...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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