Haza Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Great idea - but wasted opportunity- safe scripted questions with nothing new coming in 90mins . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Thought it was a waste of time it was supposed to be a fans forum but only a handful of vetted questions asked even Morton looked fed up sighing several times. it was totally sanitised.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I do think people's expectations were a little unrealistic. This was a PR exercise by the BSPA not a piece of investigative journalism. They did touch on controversial subjects but obviously they had to give the official BSPA line. You had to view it through a certain type of 'filter' and look beyond the necessary platitudes. You weren't going to get a BHS-style inquiry. It was a good start and they need to build on it. Of course for some nothing will ever be good enough unless they hear exactly what they want to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Just to add to the moaners who weren't there (where've I heard that before?) or didn't bother to ask a question, what a waste of time and whoever asked the PL/EL amalgamation question sounds like a right wally. I say waste of time, I was heartened to hear a British speedway promoter say he would rather watch a 3 point British lad who's really trying rather than a 4 or 5 point foreigner who is a bit of a mercenary. #justwhatiwanttohear But then goes on to say that the EDR system has run it's course. The EDR & 3 point Brit run hand in hand. Scrap it & the stronger sides will have foreigners at reserve again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I say waste of time, I was heartened to hear a British speedway promoter say he would rather watch a 3 point British lad who's really trying rather than a 4 or 5 point foreigner who is a bit of a mercenary. Yet want to get rid of the fast track in response to the question why don't we just use the "traditional 15 heat format". Proof that promoters don't get "it" and don't understand averages. Then we had blowing smoke up the arse of Natalie Quirk, the apprenticeship thing, Vatcher and even a bit for Phil Morris. No, sorry, it was rubbish and we learnt absolutely nothing from it other than Simon Stead thinks we can win the World Cup because we won a semi-final at Lynn against the very best (we've won no such thing as no such things exists) and that he wants to win the British title. They all spoke well but the questions were crap and when one decent one was asked the promoter showed how he doesn't understand the current system and how to make it work. Blaming the PL for the EL race format LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Just watched it on You Tube. Idea is good, but only if it's more challenging than this was. Very sanitised and nowhere near enough discussion about the big issues. I really hate these events where questions are vetted; my employer does exactly the same thing at its cascades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Just to add to the moaners who weren't there (where've I heard that before?) or didn't bother to ask a question, what a waste of time and whoever asked the PL/EL amalgamation question sounds like a right wally. I say waste of time, I was heartened to hear a British speedway promoter say he would rather watch a 3 point British lad who's really trying rather than a 4 or 5 point foreigner who is a bit of a mercenary. #justwhatiwanttohear Watched last nights forum on line and was pleased to here David Gordon's points that on opening night the track was not right,they tried to fix it but couldn't,and the riders were correct it was not fit to race.He also said that they quite rightly received criticism. Not exactly the party line towed by the Belle Vue mafia on here who absolved the promotion of any blame or criticism whatsoever and have publicly vilified the riders at ever opportunity. Appreciate the honesty at last of the Belle Vue promoters Edited June 9, 2016 by New Science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Watched last nights forum on line and was pleased to here David Gordon's points that on opening night the track was not right,they tried to fix it but couldn't,and the riders were correct it was not fit to race.He also said that they quite rightly received criticism. Not exactly the party line towed by the Belle Vue mafia on here who absolved the promotion of any blame or criticism whatsoever and have publicly vilified the riders at ever opportunity. Appreciate the honesty at last of the Belle Vue promoters The bit I highlighted was interesting when Dave said that. Why wasn't the follow question "why let all the punters travel and enter the stadium if you knew it wasn't right" but no, they just moved on. It was a question that needed answering imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Ffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 You missed nothing. Just that Stead and Worrall want to be British Champion and that promoters cannot answer a straight question with a straight answer. Sounds like todays politicians.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Yet want to get rid of the fast track in response to the question why don't we just use the "traditional 15 heat format". Proof that promoters don't get "it" and don't understand averages. Then we had blowing smoke up the arse of Natalie Quirk, the apprenticeship thing, Vatcher and even a bit for Phil Morris. No, sorry, it was rubbish and we learnt absolutely nothing from it other than Simon Stead thinks we can win the World Cup because we won a semi-final at Lynn against the very best (we've won no such thing as no such things exists) and that he wants to win the British title. They all spoke well but the questions were crap and when one decent one was asked the promoter showed how he doesn't understand the current system and how to make it work. Blaming the PL for the EL race format LOL Your point about people in power completely misunderstanding the false average aspect to this year's EL chaos is relevant. It was disturbing to hear Nigel Pearson suggesting that the EDR only faced two protected heats - the two reserve races when of course they are also then shielded from heat leaders in both of their other programmed rides. It's a simple principle and it's frankly disturbing how so many can't or won't see it. Regarding the rest, consider this. This was an officially-backed BSPA event, or at the very least endorsed by them, hence the use of their You Tube channel and their promotion of the event. It was clearly a PR exercise to sell tickets for Monday. If they chose to put a positive spin on matters such as praising various individuals who have worked hard for the sport then that is their choice. Did you really expect a no holds-barred fight over every contentious point in the sport? They did deal with some of the problems, obviously in as positive a way as possible so they didn't whitewash and pretend as was wonderful. What kind of crime is it to try to put forward a positive attitude about some of the things that ARE going right? As I've said before this was a piece of promotion of an event, not a public enquiry. Maybe we should have such an enquiry but you can be sure it wouldn't be marketed by the BSPA as this event was. You have to understand and accept what this was. Declaring it a wasted opportunity is frankly naiive. Anyway, I mustn't intrude on your valuable time because you must have a heck of a lot of advertisers to tackle over the fact that their ads don't discuss all of their products' faults. Edited June 9, 2016 by rmc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 what was the point of a fans forum if you dont take unedited unscripted questions from the floor? a lot of things unanswered bspa need to be tranparent we need to know what promoter/s are responsible for the rules and who voted them in , 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Anyway, I mustn't intrude on your valuable time because you must have a heck of a lot of advertisers to tackle over the fact that their ads don't discuss all of their products' faults. It wouldn't watch adverts either, in fact I doubt anyone would. While I accept it has to be slightly sterilised it also has to have something in it to attract fans to watch and attend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Also what I haven't seen mentioned, I thought this forum was originally marketed with Chapman in attendance? Or have I imagined that? If it was, what happened there I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 What do people expect from an event entitled 'BSPA British Final Fans Forum', broadcast from the British Final venue, containing a panel consisting of the TV broadcast host, venue promoters and 2 riders competing in the final itself?? Simon Stead was no doubt asked for his hopes for world peace - but I don't recall his answer!!!! ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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