E I Addio Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) Another poor post on the subject ...yet again with the view that somehow Pl is going well and is some great role model to follow ..as has said a million times teams in the pl find it just as hard to get by ..the crowds are poor and it's all relative to what is paid to riders ..in the last weeks the El and some big crowds and some great racing . Why anyone what's to go by the rules of the league that fans have little interest in watching is madness ....all you are is just another pl fan who wants your league to better than my league and can't wait for the El to go wrong .. Speedway main problem is people coming up with plans to get less people to watch the sport .yours is another . One day people will wake and understand the Pl is not doing well and it's not a good product . but for some reason that can't be explained they buried there heads in the sand and say the only forward is to be like them ..madness Someone said on post 17 that Glasgow are losing substantial sums of money. The new promotion there have come in and spent a fortune on the club , including buying riders like there is no tomorrow yet they are still losing a lot of money. That tells you all you need to know about the PL model. Edited June 8, 2016 by E I Addio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 From what I can see the "Elite League" teams are basically a Premier League team with 1 or even no Elite standard riders....hardly Elite at all! And nothing premier about the PL! Without riders doubling up/down both leagues would struggle. You could argue that without the good EL standard riders in the PL it wouldn't be the standard that it is. By name/definition/quality the EL is the appropriately named league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 1 large PL would worry me. Personally I would be fine with it. I love the PL racing. But there are alot of people I know and see on social media etc that are EL snobs. The EL clubs fans will half at most. now this i cannot understand, supporters want a weekly fix of speedway, if people decline to watch EL then they are no fan of the sport. Interesting interview on BBC Radio Solent this morning with Matt Ford wishing for more fixtures next season - either from an expanded EL and/or a second competition. Fans to be polled for their opinions and views to be put to the BSPA AGM in October/November!! as above, weekly fix to keep supporters hungry for more. We have too many gaps, such a disjointed season pushes people away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 I agree we need the top flight otherwise how do we get good British riders? We need Lambert getting tips from NKI for example and Adam Ellis getting them from Holder and Andersen. Not in a million years will the Elite League close due to two things Matt Ford and Belle Vue new stadium. As a Poole fan, Matt Ford is not going to want Brady Kurtz as his number 1 in the Premier League. Until the richest and biggest club says so well its never going to happen. Maybe, Coventry go but can see Ipswich and Glasgow coming up and Rye House then a league of 10 again which would mean more fixtures which everyone wants. I like seeing Holder, Doyle, Zagar, AJ, NKI, KK and Fast Freddie ride here they will never ride again unless we don't have the EL. Just need a fixed race night and then all of a sudden it will get better. Just for example all it needs is Dudek and Magic to go to Poole which could happen then Holder to Swindon and Doyle to the Lions and the league can get better. Just need Poole, Belle Vue, Swindon and King's Lynn to get better riders and then it will trickle down. Would rather Swindon kept Jason & Chris went to Leicester😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Was I said earlier, the EL cannot be dictated to be the PL. There must always be a league in the UK that has top riders. Whilst there are not too many at the moment, that could change. Following a PL model would be suicide for EL clubs whose fans want to see the best on offer, even if many stars are missing. Where would progression happen if there was not the opportunity to race against the best in the sport? What would happen to riders with averages over 6? Out of work? Would we all witness heats where riders are trying to finish at the back so they get below 6? Dont laugh it could happen. Swedish Speedway isnt that much stronger than British. Yes they have stronger teams but judging by the crowds they are not packing them in. Watching every Tuesday shows crowds similar or perhaps slightly bigger to here. But the outlay for the riders must be much higher. Take the opportunity to ride el on a fixed night or two per week, perhaps Wednesday and Thursday, could see top stars heading back. Matt Ford is asking fans what they want. More meetings, absolutely. But having a weaker team on nights when Its not an el fixture will not be supported, as has been proved in the past. Call the agm early. Get the rules mapped out well in advance and put them out to the fans to discuss and mull over. Stupid mistakes like the edr could be avoided. Fans of the sport are just as wise as the promoters and can pick up on likely problems, especially as there are many more of us than the couple of dozen promotions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) We absolutely dont want to lose the el. Pl racing is ok but not el. Where would the top riders go who have averages over 6? Holder v Jake Allen? Nki v Skidmore? The bspa rules state that if the el becomes untenable the leagues will merge and then reform with an upper and lower league. Without a top league riders cannot progress meaning no developement of British riders. They wouldn't be riding here Steve like the majority don't. I believe amalgamation of the EL PL is not far away, and i believe thats the only viable option. I would hate to see 3 clubs go to the wall, but things do not look good. Edited June 8, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) I recall discussing this topic with another 10 years ago and we both agreed that unless we saw more home based riders coming through the leagues then the Elite had a difficult future. We now have a similar situation in the Premier principally brought about by riders earning good money and then doubling up in the Elite,when in the past Craig Cook as an example would be Elite only. Swindon using half their team from the premier not their fault it's again down to riders wanting the dosh from 2 leagues. The loser will be the UK as it will get tougher to get into the Premier and ask any National league rider - unless the PL adops the EL race format of course! Edited June 8, 2016 by GWC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Bcmma Cook Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Already submitted a plan to buster for the future of british speedway, will post a copy of it on the site later today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I recall discussing this topic with another 10 years ago and we both agreed that unless we saw more home based riders coming through the leagues then the Elite had a difficult future. We now have a similar situation in the Premier principally brought about by riders earning good money and then doubling up in the Elite,when in the past Craig Cook as an example would be Elite only. Swindon using half their team from the premier not their fault it's again down to riders wanting the dosh from 2 leagues. The loser will be the UK as it will get tougher to get into the Premier and ask any National league rider - unless the PL adops the EL race format of course! If you discount EDRs as they are supposed to be riding in multiple leagues to aid their development, looking at the Swindon team only 2 of the top 5 ride in both leagues (Josh and Rohan) and I'm sure if you look around the other teams, this is consistent with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Premier League brand name is miles stronger than the Elite League. The PL promoters deserve a huge amount of credit. Too obvious. Try harder. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Chris Morton on the fans forum last night (I only got to see a bit of it!!) said that he would prefer a 'top league' of 14-16 teams. That would presume some sort of amalgamation due to circumstances dictating such eg the loss of stadia. David Gordon also said the EDR had gone as far as it could go and should now be scrapped for 2017. It could have run better and for longer if the PL clubs had accepted the scheme earlier, but its now not right for the top league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 David Gordon also said the EDR had gone as far as it could go and should now be scrapped for 2017. It could have run better and for longer if the PL clubs had accepted the scheme earlier, but its now not right for the top league. The edr is one of the best ideas to come out of the bspa in a while. Trouble is they have completely messed it up this season with edr to heat leader. If the promotions are talking about getting rid thats wrong imo. Keep edr at 6 and 7 but change the heat format so they get some tougher rides. But not against heat leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 As Buster said in last week's Star, he wiil propose only 1 EDR per EL team for next year!! Clearly lots for the promoters to discuss pre-AGM......?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 As Buster said in last week's Star, he wiil propose only 1 EDR per EL team for next year!! Clearly lots for the promoters to discuss pre-AGM......?! However with the lead story in this weeks "star" it could all completely change ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Elite league is on its knees and has been for ages. I would much prefer Ipswich stayed premier, the racing is better (though our track isnt great) and the league is far far better run. Would i be interested in going elite just to see the odd few better riders?? Im missing out on Doyle Zagar Iversen Holder ,and then the rest of the heat leaders are made up of premier league number ones and riders who are ok at premier level. I see most of the elite league riders at Foxhall bar the odd one. Auty, Klindt, Bates, Josh G, Starke, Wright, Tungate, Kennett, Masters, have already ridden at Foxhall and in the next few weeks Lambert, Steve Worrall, Richie Worrall, Lawson, Kurtz, Newman and Cook are due Add to that King and Sarjeant every week and as i say not many left worth seeing. No stick to premier league as there is to much crap involved in the elite league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 They wouldn't be riding here Steve like the majority don't. I believe amalgamation of the EL PL is not far away, and i believe thats the only viable option. I would hate to see 3 clubs go to the wall, but things do not look good. I see an amalgamation of the leagues has been mentioned a few times but people should bear in mind half the PL currently ride in the EL now so where are the extra riders coming from?. I still think if the leagues ride on different nights and anyone can double up or down irrespective of average would solve a lot of the current problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 You actually go to Foxhall??? Thats a revelation.....!! What EL meetings have you actually been to recently to support your 'crappy' comment?? However with the lead story in this weeks "star" it could all completely change ! Mine won't arrive till later on today. Any early twit-bits?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 You actually go to Foxhall??? Thats a revelation.....!! What EL meetings have you actually been to recently to support your 'crappy' comment?? Mine won't arrive till later on today. Any early twit-bits?? You need to go specsavers then pal. Ive mentioned many times that i go probably about 7 times a season due to work and the fact i have a family. What has going to elite league meetings got to do with the fact that i think the league is poorly run??? I said there is to much crap involved in the elite league meaning the way it is run.........why i need to go to a meeting to have that opinion is lost on me. Go on elite league threads........most are moaning about the draft, heat leaders at reserve, poor tracks and how bad the agm was. Go on premier league threads and its mainly just the meetings. No politics in the premier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 You need to go specsavers then pal. Ive mentioned many times that i go probably about 7 times a season due to work and the fact i have a family. What has going to elite league meetings got to do with the fact that i think the league is poorly run??? I said there is to much crap involved in the elite league meaning the way it is run.........why i need to go to a meeting to have that opinion is lost on me. Go on elite league threads........most are moaning about the draft, heat leaders at reserve, poor tracks and how bad the agm was. Go on premier league threads and its mainly just the meetings. No politics in the premier No fans most of the time ..as had been say we keep what a great product it is but the crowds are dipping below 400 at some tracks ..if don't to el matches how would know if the racing was better ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) The concept and idea of the “Elite league” ended years ago, there should though always be a top flight and if Sky are involved it is likely the “Elite” name will remain. This country doesn’t need to throw away riders like Holder, Doyle and NKI if they want to be here, it just needs to find a way to facilitate them, that doesn’t mean “being shafted by them” or “bending over for them” just finding ways to keep the product as strong as possible. To use an old term “steak and chips” can still be kept, but the riders just have to be distributed and weighted correctly, this seasons shows that is getting closer IMO. I actually think the top flight is just a couple of tweaks away from being the more appealing product. Edited June 9, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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