Steve Shovlar Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 We absolutely dont want to lose the el. Pl racing is ok but not el. Where would the top riders go who have averages over 6? Holder v Jake Allen? Nki v Skidmore? The bspa rules state that if the el becomes untenable the leagues will merge and then reform with an upper and lower league. Without a top league riders cannot progress meaning no developement of British riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Do Glasgow want up though? I've not heard. The promotion are losing substantial sums in the PL, wouldn't the EL just make it worse? the promotion made a lot of noise about moving up when they took over. Plenty of press stories at the time. i could be wrong but i belive the sport was very strong between 1965 - 68 after amalgamation (no top div as such - one level) this led to a revival that lasted for years with BL Div 2 and a host of British boys coming through if we levelled the remaining clubs in a single league (or divided in 2) there would be many opportunities to develop young British riders and operate an affordable league EDIT: of course - i mean 2 leagues with NL continuing more or less as is Maybe times where different back then because it's been tried again in the 90's and failed and we had lots more riders back then. I can see why some say it's a good and sensible idea to merge the leagues again and it might appear to solve lots of issues. However it would lose any credibility and would see the sport fall into a part time amateur sport that would lose more supporters than it would gain. . One thing is certain - the PL and to a certain extent NL must not be damaged in order to rescue the EL tracks. You make it sound like those leagues are perfect and everything is great. IT ISN'T. Speedway in the UK is suffering, not any one league. All leagues have major issues, to claim only one is at fault is blinkered at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 the promotion made a lot of noise about moving up when they took over. Plenty of press stories at the time. Maybe times where different back then because it's been tried again in the 90's and failed and we had lots more riders back then. I can see why some say it's a good and sensible idea to merge the leagues again and it might appear to solve lots of issues. However it would lose any credibility and would see the sport fall into a part time amateur sport that would lose more supporters than it would gain. . You make it sound like those leagues are perfect and everything is great. IT ISN'T. Speedway in the UK is suffering, not any one league. All leagues have major issues, to claim only one is at fault is blinkered at best. you are correct it did fail and thats because the top tier teams held the whip hand and most div 2 teams were f*ckd over this time it would be PL way or shut down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Do Glasgow want up though? I've not heard. The promotion are losing substantial sums in the PL, wouldn't the EL just make it worse? You would need to re mortgage your house to afford to watch Glasgow in the Elite League 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 you are correct it did fail and thats because the top tier teams held the whip hand and most div 2 teams were f*ckd over this time it would be PL way or shut down Certainly the 'Boro were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 The elite league is a bit of a fake innits current guise,rules being changed at will, even a possibility of mid season rule changes due to the abortion of the reserve scheme. Clubs being in trouble, leicester having at best a very moderate side, coventry with no stadium, swindons ahem new stadium with no sign of a build, kings lynn switching nights, numerous guests and r-r. They need to have a very long agm in november and decide once and for all what they percieve to be the way forward. Listening to the dwindling supporters and getting theyre feedback may be a good starting point. Its no good the poole,belle vue and wolves back garden being rosy if the bailiffs are in at lester,coventry etc etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 As do I. Absolutely miss the PL at King's Lynn PL is in my view the best league in British speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) God bless the Premier League playing to its packed out stadiums where all the teams are making a fortune and everything is great. Edited June 8, 2016 by BWitcher 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) We absolutely dont want to lose the el. Pl racing is ok but not el. Where would the top riders go who have averages over 6? Holder v Jake Allen? Nki v Skidmore? The bspa rules state that if the el becomes untenable the leagues will merge and then reform with an upper and lower league. Without a top league riders cannot progress meaning no developement of British riders. Words from a man, who's very promotion that he worships, has done more harm to EL Speedway than every other club combined - and that takes some doing! And how utterly laughable that he mentions 'the development of British riders'. Absolute hypocrisy at its finest. Edited June 8, 2016 by The Voice Of Reason 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 you are correct it did fail and thats because the top tier teams held the whip hand and most div 2 teams were f*ckd over this time it would be PL way or shut down Either way it's doomed as the PL Is in a marginally better place. It will be the day the sport is buried if it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 This week is lovely weather wise & yet no fixtures in place. We have weeks without fixtures & then several squashed together 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 We absolutely dont want to lose the el. Pl racing is ok but not el. Where would the top riders go who have averages over 6? Holder v Jake Allen? Nki v Skidmore? That's easy to answer because neither really want to be riding in the UK anyway so back to Poland/Sweden/Denmark - delete as applicable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 The Voice Of Reason, on 08 Jun 2016 - 6:43 PM, said: Words from a man, who's very promotion that he worships, has done more harm to EL Speedway than every other club combined - and that takes some doing! And how utterly laughable that he mentions 'the development of British riders'. Absolute hypocrisy at its finest. I was sure he was on a wind up there too ! Seems to me its going to be a make or break winter for OUR sport .. If there is a amalgamation it will be yet another dilution . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 One thing is certain - the PL and to a certain extent NL must not be damaged in order to rescue the EL tracks. Definitely You make it sound like those leagues are perfect and everything is great. IT ISN'T. Speedway in the UK is suffering, not any one league. All leagues have major issues, to claim only one is at fault is blinkered at best. I have to say I am not sure that the NL has major problems. Otherwise, dead right. The EL is in trouble because of loss of stadiums. The PL is where clubs are threatened with closure because of financial losses. The thing is though is the EL is simply not viable if it has about 6 tracks. Under those circumstances, there would have to be an amalgamation on PL level because, as Rob accurately says, you can't destroy the PL in trying to save the EL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) The time has clearly come to put the EL out of its misery and to combine into one senior league but with one key proviso. It must be based on current PL team strengths and costs at worst . It would be appalling if the financially weaker PL tracks were thrown out of business in order to bail out the top division, as happened in the 90s. The problem is though that certain influences in the EL have poisoned that league, as can be seen by the reluctance of sane promotions to go anywhere near it and an unworkable rule book, full of clauses inserted to close loopholes exploited by those influences leaving it incoherent, illogical and requiring a degree in statistical research in order to just work out who can ride in a team. That poison must not be allowed to pollute the lower leagues. The PL needs to stand firm and defend what it's got. It and the NL can be the saviour of the sport running at a sane level relative to attendances. Sadly, entrenched attitudes such as "I only DO EL" need to be changed. You either love speedway or names. If you want the names the message sadly has to be in the short to mid term - "There are cheap flights out there to the GPs and Polish League". It's far from ideal but we need regular speedway with workable rules and teams - and certainly not have tracks closing for a month in peak season! Even if by some miracle Coventry, Swindon and Leicester are all able to enter the EL in 2017, and I pray they can, it is only postponing the crisis. Perhaps it does need one year of a single race night, possibly seven home and seven away on the Swedish and Polish model just to prove how that system is unworkable here. One thing is certain - the PL and to a certain extent NL must not be damaged in order to rescue the EL tracks. Another poor post on the subject ...yet again with the view that somehow Pl is going well and is some great role model to follow ..as has said a million times teams in the pl find it just as hard to get by ..the crowds are poor and it's all relative to what is paid to riders ..in the last weeks the El and some big crowds and some great racing . Why anyone what's to go by the rules of the league that fans have little interest in watching is madness ....all you are is just another pl fan who wants your league to better than my league and can't wait for the El to go wrong .. Speedway main problem is people coming up with plans to get less people to watch the sport .yours is another . One day people will wake and understand the Pl is not doing well and it's not a good product . but for some reason that can't be explained they buried there heads in the sand and say the only forward is to be like them ..madness Edited June 8, 2016 by orion 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Definitely I have to say I am not sure that the NL has major problems. Otherwise, dead right. The EL is in trouble because of loss of stadiums. The PL is where clubs are threatened with closure because of financial losses. The thing is though is the EL is simply not viable if it has about 6 tracks. Under those circumstances, there would have to be an amalgamation on PL level because, as Rob accurately says, you can't destroy the PL in trying to save the EL. All levels are messed up IMHO. If only all levels would work together there could actually be a much brighter future for all levels. EL relies on the PL, the PL relies on the EL and NL and both leagues need the NL for the future generation. The PL promoters are even more stubborn than the EL ones so they alone have created this mess and nothing will change if the line is "it's our way or no way". By the same token you can't destroy the EL because it's not working. There can be no credibility without a top tier of racing. No doubt PL supporters wouldn't or couldn't care less and sadly that compounds the issue even further as im sure their promoters feel the same. Swindon will continue Whilst the Leicester and Coventry situation I agree is a worrying one. There is a lot of speculation about what may happen with Leicester but in truth no one knows what might happen. There always seems to be a black cloud and doom impending regards the EL if you listen to some. However on the plus side there has been some superb racing reported in the EL this year and the league appears more open due to the oddities of the rules and averages. Having watched EL, PL, NL, Development league, amateur this season I can say there is still great things happening in Speedway. I will always pick EL over all other leagues as my preferred league because I prefer watching the better standard of rider. However it's only the EL that drives my enthusiasm and passion. Without it (EL)I'd become another regular supporter lost along with many others. It's those in charge that seem to make it stink at times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) The teams in trouble have little to do with the rules or the league etc ...Cov and Swindon are in trouble because there home might be taken from them ..that can't happen to any team in any league ...the lions are just poorly ran and I have no doubt they could do really well with right people running them . Edited June 8, 2016 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 From what I can see the "Elite League" teams are basically a Premier League team with 1 or even no Elite standard riders....hardly Elite at all! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) From what I can see the "Elite League" teams are basically a Premier League team with 1 or even no Elite standard riders....hardly Elite at all! Of course it's elite as it has the strongest teams in the uk hence the name ..unless you think there is a stronger league with better teams in the uk of course ...this has been explained a million times . It's always been the most odd thing in Speedway moaning about the name of the El that that quite clearly has logic why it has it's name , but then nothing about the name of the premier what makes no sense.. using your logic what Premier riders in the world ride in the PL ? Edited June 8, 2016 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Premier League brand name is miles stronger than the Elite League. The PL promoters deserve a huge amount of credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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