markyb Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 so good to see PK back in British speedway - almost catching up with my years on this planet - but eh, only almost. come on Btritish speedway hierarchy - how on earth can you allow for this to happen, my only issue is for the Swedish legend to come back to at reserve berth ? Thought the idea of Elite reserves was to bring in talent for the next era of BRITSIH riders - please, please don't accuse of racism at this point. The rules and regulations have been set by the management/promoters committee, so of course they must be right - so who am I, to question their judgement. Of course, just a fan but ultimately a nobody. Taking the "sport" (yes deserves to be in inverted comments ) as a whole, this November, please treat the annual conference as something meaningful and provide respect - in my mind,, in the past you just been pis*ing away the contribution that the public make, on a jolly , plus forgetting more importantly the riders who put their life on the line in every race, who allow your get together to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Howarth has progressed to main team and has a higher average. Isn't that the aim for all British riders riders to progress?? What about Klindt? Pedersen? Kurtz? Woryna? All had time at reserve due to FTR riders progressing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Howarth has progressed to main team and has a higher average. Isn't that the aim for all British riders riders to progress?? What about Klindt? Pedersen? Kurtz? Woryna? All had time at reserve due to FTR riders progressing. They didn't start at reserve though! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 How would the EDR riders' averages work out if they took away the results from the two protected races? The other two are the only ones that should count imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Simple if you have enough British riders who are good enough to ride in the EL but you don't ,all the moaning because Garrity actually wants to do what the system is setup to achieve merely exposes it for what it is a Farce .Lets have seven EL riders and the two lowest averaged riders at reserve and stop pretending in a couple of years we will have copious amounts of BRITISH talent coming out of our ears !!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 They didn't start at reserve though! Well that is what you get for British riders progressing! There is no point keeping them at reserve, they must have a chance to progress. The method that the BSPA used is the fault not the intent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 PK replaced foreigner Mikkel Bech who started as a heat leader. I just don't see the issue here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 PK replaced foreigner Mikkel Bech who started as a heat leader. I just don't see the issue here. There isn't an issue. Unfortunately some are not bright enough to understand that the riders on the EDR who started the year are nothing to do with 1-5 riders who can ride anywhere in the team. I even read someone suggesting PK is making lots of money as FTR. Sadly some are clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 For years we've had loads of crap foreign riders who weren't good enough for the EL, some eventually became good enough though. Now we've at least got British riders who aren't good enough and, after only two years of the draft, some actually are good enough. Why do you want to go back to having foreign riders who aren't good enough learning speedway with my money? I want to see 7 El riders no protected heats for my money ,the draft is money saving nothing more "smoke& mirrors" !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 I think this year can be counted as a whitewash, more of an experimental one which really went wrong. Hopefully they will learn from this year's big mess, although I wouldn't hold my breath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) I disagree. I think more by luck than good management it is shaping as an intriguing season. By end of the season most riders may have ridden most positions, so averages may end up bring a better reflection of ability than previous years. We've had upset results and some excellent racing, and a brand new stadium. Next year is much more of a concern than this year Imo, with concerns surely over coventry swindon and Leicester? Edited June 8, 2016 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOS50 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Johnnie Hoskins once said 'there are two kinds of people in speedway, those that know the rules and bend 'em and those that don't' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 The issue isnt the likes of PK being in reserve, its the heat format which makes it far to easy for riders to move up and down. The old heat format would have gave a far more fairer reflection on a riders ability and would be more difficult to move up or down. Having said that the format helps produce better racing with riders generally at a similar standard in each heat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Johnnie Hoskins once said 'there are two kinds of people in speedway, those that know the rules and bend 'em and those that don't' He may have, but it has zero relevance to this topic. All this fuss and palava over Peter Karlsson who has rode 1 meeting at reserve and guess what? By the time of the next Wolverhampton meeting, he's in the 1-5 again I believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 I want to see 7 El riders no protected heats for my money ,the draft is money saving nothing more "smoke& mirrors" !!!! quite right - riders should progress NL - PL - EL not be chucked into an EL meeting if EL want to save money go to 5 man teams (like Denmark I believe) only with a PL stand by reserve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) Oh, okay. I thought you just wanted to go back to what it was like before the draft. Getting rid of protected heats is straightforward and paying the riders more money is easy when its not your money I suppose and both goals are objective and easy to define. The hard bit is your subjective '7 El riders'. If you want something you need to be more helpful otherwise you will probably be disappointed, think of it like asking for a nice watch and getting a sekonda when you wanted a Breitling. So if you do actually know what you want rather than just trotting out hackyned phrases then spell it out, give an example of 8 teams filled with 'El riders' and then the promoters have got something to go on otherwise you'll end up with a sekonda or an even worse polish equivalent. You are capable of doing that aren't you? Its just up to now you've not bothered. The simple answer is money or lack of it within the sport if we use your watch analogy the sport is telling me I am having a Breitling.but slipping me a Sekonda instead IMO . As to what I am capable of or not was an unecessary comment on your behalf as I am merely expressing my opinion and in no way do I consider myself 100% right or 100% wrong and I am always up for lively debate and do have the best interests of the sport at heart . quite right - riders should progress NL - PL - EL not be chucked into an EL meeting if EL want to save money go to 5 man teams (like Denmark I believe) only with a PL stand by reserve There are at least two of us think that way then Edited June 8, 2016 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 5 man teams in Denmark only ride 14 heat meetings so presumably you would have to charge less at the gate?! The top riders in Danish League who presumably make top demands for their contracts can also take 7 rides per meeting, so I'm not sure there would be much of a saving for promoters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) The nonsense regarding PK continues. Has anyone bothered to actually look at the meeting Monday night? He beat Woryna, Sarjeant and Roynon. That's it. Howarth beat Garrity, Roynon and Sarjeant. So the reality is it made absolutely no difference... except perhaps to make Wolves weaker. Howarth would have scored what PK did at reserve, PK may have scored more at No 2 than Howarth. Edited June 8, 2016 by BWitcher 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) 5 man teams in Denmark only ride 14 heat meetings so presumably you would have to charge less at the gate?! The top riders in Danish League who presumably make top demands for their contracts can also take 7 rides per meeting, so I'm not sure there would be much of a saving for promoters? same points money yes but fewer travel expense ppayments, guarantees, etc just an idea and no i don't suppose they would charge less at the gate but it could be argued that all you would be losing is an NL standard race or 2 Edited June 8, 2016 by ch958 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 I've no doubt you've got the best interests of the sport at heart but nobody knopsws what you want. You always had a sekonda before the draft now you've got the British version. Think of cars, now you are getting a morris marina instead of a trabant. What want is the draft abolished and a return to the pre draft EL format as I believe that if a rider is good enough he will get there NL -PL - EL water will always find it's own level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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