Forget E.u Referendum , We Need A B.s.p.a Referendum!

[uk_martin]

Who in their right minds would want to serve on it?

 

What would they get for their time and "expertise"? (or has some fairy godmother suggested that they all do it for nothing?)

 

Who would appoint the successful candidates to their posts? And who would pay them? And how would the person who pays the piper NOT be calling the tune?

 

Who would have the power to sack any of this new independent board?

 

I'm assuming that anyone supporting the idea that speedway promoters who invest their cash into their clubs should give up their rights to say how their sport is governed, would similarly go to work, and hand over their weekly / monthly pay to an independent third party to run their households, and for someone else to decide what the money they earn is spent on, when you can and can't have a holiday, or a new car, etc?

 

 

Out of interest...what other Professional sports are run by the Promotors/Owners of Clubs?

 

Maybe it's me, but wouldn't it be better to find ways of making things better for the future, rather than constantly looking at reasons not to do so?

 

Is it really working now?

 

Could it be improved?

 

If so...how?

 

If every promotor was singing from the same hymn sheet and had the same aims, then it wouldn't be so much a problem...but they aren't.

 

Lots of questions. One day when someone has lots of answers we might be able to make progress.

[Humphrey Appleby]

It's an eye opener, when you google for a list of Sports and their governing bodies....and then read how they are actually run, some of them.

I think most successful professional sports do have a degree of separation in terms of deciding how the sport is run, and how the rules are applied. So North American (and Australian) sports have a Commissioner or Commission without ties to any team, whilst British sports for mostly historical reasons usually separate the running of leagues which are the responsibility of the teams, from the overall governing body which usually has multiple stakeholders.

 

There are a few private fiefdoms running professional sport - I think NASCAR and F1 are the obvious examples and the BDO effectively was one - and then the likes of professional tennis and golf are more-or-less run by the competitors themselves.

[Gresham]

I think most successful professional sports do have a degree of separation in terms of deciding how the sport is run, and how the rules are applied. So North American (and Australian) sports have a Commissioner or Commission without ties to any team, whilst British sports for mostly historical reasons usually separate the running of leagues which are the responsibility of the teams, from the overall governing body which usually has multiple stakeholders.

 

There are a few private fiefdoms running professional sport - I think NASCAR and F1 are the obvious examples and the BDO effectively was one - and then the likes of professional tennis and golf are more-or-less run by the competitors themselves.

Agreed...many forms of how different sports are run.

 

Just a shame so many mistakes are made so many times with speedway.

 

It doesn't help when Commentators and the actual promotors themselves talk about the balls up as well on Sky Sports.

 

Like someone said to me many moons ago, when a sport has to keep changing it's rules almost annually, then you know it's in serious trouble.

 

He's not wrong imo.

 

Unfortunately, Speedway try's to come across professionally, and it does to some degree in the GP's.

 

But the week in week out British league is a whole different ball game.

 

It try's to be one thing...but comes across very much as another.

 

My girlfriend who I've taken to recently to Swindon and Somerset for her first taste of Speedway, said it felt more like a Summer village fete or circus type atmosphere.

 

She couldn't believe it was meant to be a 'serious' professional sport.

 

Anyway...I've digressed away from the 'Ruling body' and rather looked at how the sport is promoted.

 

It was interesting to hear from the eyes of a complete newbie.

[heathen chemistry]

change is good as long as its for the better, the problem is with the bspa its usually for the worse and then changed back the next season the draft rules this year are a joke and no doubt they will go back to last seasons draft rules

 

a transparent agm is what we need,

and a fans referendum on the rules to be drafted.

[uk_martin]

and a fans referendum on the rules to be drafted.

 

Great idea.

 

All the debate, discussion, slanging matches, campaigning, character assassination and general nastiness can happen right here on BSF, right? And after all is said and done, it'll end up with Poole fans voting for one thing and everyone else voting differently I suppose?

[AlanF]

I think it needs to be defined what "independent" means. Even the Commissioner of the NFL only serves at the pleasure of the 32 owners and enforces the rules that the owners have agreed upon.

 

In Speedway terms, it will always be the promoters who set the rules at their AGM. I think there is definitely a role for an independent person/committee to ensure that the agreed upon rules are consistently and impartially applied.

[uk_martin]

I think it needs to be defined what "independent" means. Even the Commissioner of the NFL only serves at the pleasure of the 32 owners and enforces the rules that the owners have agreed upon.

 

In Speedway terms, it will always be the promoters who set the rules at their AGM. I think there is definitely a role for an independent person/committee to ensure that the agreed upon rules are consistently and impartially applied.

 

Interesting what such an independent person earns too... http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14786414/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-earned-341-million-compensation-2014-calendar-year

 

Something tells me that speedway won't have the sort of spare change to afford that kind of independent administration.

[AlanF]

Obviously the NFL

is a multi billion dollar industry and the Comnissioner is paid accordingly. My wife is the CEO of her company. Doesn't mean she earns what the Apple CEO earns.

 

If they were paid 100k that is 3k per team. I don't think that is unreasonable.

[Humphrey Appleby]

If they were paid 100k that is 3k per team. I don't think that is unreasonable.

Commissioners of minor sports start around 40-50K. You might get some young aspiring executive for that, although I doubt you'd keep them for very long if they were any good.

 

Of course, the total costs would be higher than the salary as they'd have expenses and the running costs of their office.

[Ghostwalker]

I think most successful professional sports do have a degree of separation in terms of deciding how the sport is run, and how the rules are applied. So North American (and Australian) sports have a

Commissioner or Commission without ties to any team, whilst British sports for mostly historical reasons usually separate the running of leagues which are the responsibility of the teams, from

the overall governing body which usually has multiple stakeholders.

 

There are a few private fiefdoms running professional sport - I think NASCAR and F1 are the obvious examples and the BDO effectively was one - and then the likes of professional tennis and golf are more-or-less run by the competitors themselves.

 

NHL have a commissioner and a deputy commissioner but they also have a board of governors (representatives of team owners) as well as a player union (NHLPA).

Then most of the rules concerning the league such as team building, contracts and etc are decided by a collective bargain agreement which content is negotiated by

the league (the teams) and the players (NHLPA). Even a league expansion requires approval from both BOG and NHLPA before it can happen.

Edited June 8, 2016 by Ghostwalker