CB252 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Your right, the simple pleasures in life!! Bit sad. You'll have to find another hobby next year! :-) Decent effort, better than expected but nothing to write home about. The team is what it is. Depressing journey home. One more trip to Wolves remaining. Another meeting closer to extinction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) Strange isn't it that the Swedish League - often held up to be one of the best alongside Poland - have rules that allow the likes of PK and others eg AJ etc to ride at reserve and there's hardly a peep!! Not even on the Swedish equivalent of the BSF - assuming there is such a thing?! ;-) A truly stupid comment, even by your low standards. The Swedes don't use a 'protected' race formula that is supposed to keep reserves away from heat leaders, thus they don't produce blatantly false averages for reserves who only face second strings and reserves while heat leaders have to race mainly fellow heat leaders and some second strings as in the Elite League. Surely it's not that hard to understand that false averages are being created and riders being promoted prematurely? Are you deliberately misunderstanding this rather simple point in order to back up the Poole promotion and their colleagues on the BSPA or are you genuinely unable to understand? Either way I'm concerned for you. As has been said many times (and seemingly ignored) riders do need to progress into the teams - BUT NOT THIS WAY! In Sweden the race format creates relatively false averages by also having two reserve races but the reserves certainly don't have 'soft' rides in their other races as they do in Britain. I rather suspect that only a handful of posters here follow Swedish speedway or understand its nuances anyway so are unlikely to comment on their race format and averages. Now, if this still isn't understood, and my goodness I've tried to dumb it down enough for you, perhaps you need to consult with your Speedway Star seller when you finally get round to staging another meeting? Sorry to have to puncture your complacency again but I am heartily sick of the way Poole and its mouthpieces try to twist this sport, always pleading innocence and incredulity that anyone should question them. Some of us can see right through it though. Unlike yourself I have no party line to toe these days, thankfully. Been there, threw away the T-shirt in disgust. The problem at Poole is you are so experienced in feeding the world utter bull you've clearly begun to fool yourselves! It is always difficult in first year or 2. Some Polish U21 are also pretty bad and so what? Thanks to the system we find every year some talents like Zmarzlik, Pawlicki brothers, Przedpelski, Dudek and many more. I'd suggest that the money on offer in Poland also helps attract young motorcycling talent than in other countries. Your 'sink or swim' policy is a harsh one but clearly some extremely good motorcyclists are coming through your system but the sport is far more high profile there and surely more attractive to such young talent than it is in other countries? I don't think there's any doubt that as the money disappeared from British speedway the flow of talent dried up. There just wasn't the incentive to get involved unless you had a genuine passion for the sport - or wasn't after big money. Edited June 6, 2016 by rmc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 So am i missing something here, now you have a 50 odd year old foreigner racing in a ftr position, bet hes laughing all the way to the bank. Is anyone suprised he won the two Reserves races. Junior 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 So am i missing something here, now you have a 50 odd year old foreigner racing in a ftr position, bet hes laughing all the way to the bank. Is anyone suprised he won the two Reserves races. Junior Yep, daft system, but hardly the fault of (as it happens 46-year-old) Karlsson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) So am i missing something here, now you have a 50 odd year old foreigner racing in a ftr position, bet hes laughing all the way to the bank. Is anyone suprised he won the two Reserves races. Junior PK will end up at 2or4 you can't knock wolves for working the system for short time and if you have read any of my posts on the FTR system I am not remotely a fan as IMO it is the epitome of idealism at best or just money saving take your pick. Pk isn't just any foreigner who preys on the EL in an opportunist way or a GP rider filling the gaps in his calendar he has raced here for the best part of 25yrs ,so if he is able to pick up a few extra bob for his retirement fund I for one don't begrudge him a penny . Edited June 7, 2016 by FAST GATER 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 So am i missing something here, now you have a 50 odd year old foreigner racing in a ftr position, bet hes laughing all the way to the bank. Is anyone suprised he won the two Reserves races. Junior I'll bet PK isn't riding for £50/60 FTR pay structure.Complete joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Bit sad. You'll have to find another hobby next year! :-) Decent effort, better than expected but nothing to write home about. The team is what it is. Depressing journey home. One more trip to Wolves remaining. Another meeting closer to ebeesxtinction. I am hoping the Coventry Bees will still be racing next season and i am sure many Coventry fans love to see Poole get a thrashing although to be fair this wasn't easyfor Wolves by the sound of it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 I'll bet PK isn't riding for £50/60 FTR pay structure.Complete joke. FTR is and always has been a joke the system is complete nonsense !!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 I am hoping the Coventry Bees will still be racing next season and i am sure many Coventry fans love to see Poole get a thrashing although to be fair this wasn't easyfor Wolves by the sound of itPlus it was me that said it!! Lol. You just agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Plus it was me that said it!! Lol. You just agreed You said it because you knew what i would be thinking! I really hope Coventry are in the league next season though,the rivalry between the two clubs has been terrific over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Don't you just love the assessment from our team manager that we need some away wins, no shi*t Sherlock, you will have a long wait. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Wolves aren't 'working any system'. They signed Peter Karlsson to replace Mikkel Bech, a rider with a higher average. As PK has a lower average than Howarth, he starts at reserve. Nothing to do with 'working a system'. He won't be there for long. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Don't you just love the assessment from our team manager that we need some away wins, no shi*t Sherlock, you will have a long wait. What you need is team changes. Loved Havvy as a rider but as a team manager the jury is still out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 I'll bet PK isn't riding for £50/60 FTR pay structure.Complete joke. PK hasn't replaced a FTR something many don't seem to understand. PK has replaced Bech who isn't wasn't a FTR. It just so happens have his average is lower than Howarth who IS a FTR. The joke would be allowing the reserves to stay in that position for ever more meaning any progress is meaningless when not facing stronger riders. The joke is the BSPA for rushing thru the rules on FTR getting true averages yet leaving them with inflated averages due to still having 2 protected rides. Kurtz, Pedersen, Klindt, Woryna have or are due to ride in reserve NOT because they are FTR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 The joke would be allowing the reserves to stay in that position for ever more meaning any progress is meaningless when not facing stronger riders. True enough. The other joke is allowing them to build inflated averages which catapult them into a heat leader role for which they are wholly unprepared, thus undoing at a stroke any previously established gains in confidence. A poster on another thread, apologies for forgetting his/her name, suggested that such riders should be pegged at second string berths for now, a suggestion which seems IMHO to have merit although not without its own complications. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 True enough. The other joke is allowing them to build inflated averages which catapult them into a heat leader role for which they are wholly unprepared, thus undoing at a stroke any previously established gains in confidence.A poster on another thread, apologies for forgetting his/her name, suggested that such riders should be pegged at second string berths for now, a suggestion which seems IMHO to have merit although not without its own complications. Absolutely. Correct progression is from reserve to second string irregardless what the average is. Plus keeping the race format the same is helping to inflate the averages also. Revert back to previous format (as used in PL/NL) with no protected rides plus at the end of the season take out the protected rides as those counting towards their inflated averages to give a much truer real average. It will be a lot of hard work to sort however that hard work should have happened before the start of the season instead of rushing it in with blinkers on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) A truly stupid comment, even by your low standards. The Swedes don't use a 'protected' race formula that is supposed to keep reserves away from heat leaders, thus they don't produce blatantly false averages for reserves who only face second strings and reserves while heat leaders have to race mainly fellow heat leaders and some second strings as in the Elite League. Surely it's not that hard to understand that false averages are being created and riders being promoted prematurely? Are you deliberately misunderstanding this rather simple point in order to back up the Poole promotion and their colleagues on the BSPA or are you genuinely unable to understand? Either way I'm concerned for you. As has been said many times (and seemingly ignored) riders do need to progress into the teams - BUT NOT THIS WAY! In Sweden the race format creates relatively false averages by also having two reserve races but the reserves certainly don't have 'soft' rides in their other races as they do in Britain. I rather suspect that only a handful of posters here follow Swedish speedway or understand its nuances anyway so are unlikely to comment on their race format and averages. Now, if this still isn't understood, and my goodness I've tried to dumb it down enough for you, perhaps you need to consult with your Speedway Star seller when you finally get round to staging another meeting? Sorry to have to puncture your complacency again but I am heartily sick of the way Poole and its mouthpieces try to twist this sport, always pleading innocence and incredulity that anyone should question them. Some of us can see right through it though. Unlike yourself I have no party line to toe these days, thankfully. Been there, threw away the T-shirt in disgust. The problem at Poole is you are so experienced in feeding the world utter bull you've clearly begun to fool yourselves! Oooohh someone has a bee in their bonnet!! I made no reference to Poole in my post and am fully understanding of the EL rules this year. My point was merely aimed at those bleating about PK returning and slotting initially into a reserve berth. The comparison with Sweden was merely to illustrate that they too - no matter what the race format - can have 'top' riders in a reserve berth who can take extra rides if required. As much as I may not like the rule - either in EL or in Sweden - it is nevertheless allowed under the current racing format for any team to utilise - nothing to do with Poole specifically at all. Unless you mean that as I'm a Poole fan I'm not entitled to an opinion?! As you clearly have some sort of problem with anything/everything Poole, I feel sorry for your bitterness. I cannot begin to understand the frustrations in your life as a one-time announcer who stopped being heard - for whatever reasons?! A bee in your bonnet?? Seems more like a pain in the neck. Keep taking the tablets and stay off your keyboard so late into the night!! Edited June 7, 2016 by Skidder1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 the whole reserve draft rules are a joke, the protected heats cause inflated averages for the top draft riders....the problem lies with them being allowed to move up into the main body at the moment the top draft riders are in a sort of limbo land , scoring haevily in reserve but struggling when in main body yes some have gone straight into heat leader roles and thats a joke , but i think even going up to number 2 they are still struggling imo theyve tried to progress the system too fast , it really is a joke when youve gone from nl riders at reserve one year = to having karlsson, bech,pedersen,etc at reserve the next they have to go back to the draft as it was last year, the cream will rise to the top and progress naturally , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 The draft was designed to bring riders on and progress but all thats happening is riders are scoring for fun in reserve then struggling when going up, denting their confidence and then dropping back down again. Garrity had the right idea (for himself, maybe not his team) by riding in the 1-5 and look at his progress now, another level above most of the reserves (Steve Worrall apart) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Adam will be at reserve Bjarne will be at reserve from Monday I dont think anybody is blaming Wolves as it was pointed out many times this would happen throughout the season. I for the life of me just cant understand why we didnt go that route. Neil could you please explain? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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