CB252 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) Completely different team building in Poland. No CMA limits. Reserves - only POLISH U21 riders allowed. That's why Zmarzlik, Przedpelski etc. stay on reserve as long as they are U21. Yes I know, not knocking the Polish system. Just using as an example that the other Leagues also have situations where a good rider can end up at reserve, but few people moan about it. To be fair, Zmarzlik only gets one banked win from it anyway as there's only one reserve race in Ekstraliga. It's good for Stal though as he can take some of the utterly woeful MJJs rides! Edited June 6, 2016 by CB252 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Yes I know, not knocking the Polish system. Just using as an example that the other Leagues also have situations where a good rider can end up at reserve, but few people moan about it. To be fair, Zmarzlik only gets one banked win from it anyway as there's only one reserve race in Ekstraliga. It's good for Stal though as he can take some of the utterly woeful MJJs rides! True, very true. And IMO system is good. Developing Polish youngsters.Whole idea brought to UK was also good but for some strange reasons BSPA made 2 mistakes. 1st - allowed riders older than 21 to be on reserve. 2nd - messed it up completely this year allowing riders to switch positions. Whole idea of promoting British youngsters is almost ruined now. Hopefully they will work on it again to make it better and simple. Suggesting minimum 1 British U21 rider on reserve all season long. The other may be older (23 max?), also British and all year on reserve as well. Is it that difficult for them (BSPA) to have simple rules like that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 The issue is that when the scheme started there weren't enough brits u21 of a suitable standard, and you would struggle even now to get 16 riders u23 of the right quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 if PK can get dialled in pretty quickly tonight I could see him taking a full quota of rides where available. hopefully it's the PK we had last season compared to the PK we got the previous season after being dropped by Lakeside although I think that was mainly down to machinery. a great second string to have and also a great mind in the pits for the younger riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 The issue is that when the scheme started there weren't enough brits u21 of a suitable standard, and you would struggle even now to get 16 riders u23 of the right quality. It is always difficult in first year or 2. Some Polish U21 are also pretty bad and so what? Thanks to the system we find every year some talents like Zmarzlik, Pawlicki brothers, Przedpelski, Dudek and many more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 It is always difficult in first year or 2. Some Polish U21 are also pretty bad and so what? Thanks to the system we find every year some talents like Zmarzlik, Pawlicki brothers, Przedpelski, Dudek and many more.I think the existence of the Junior League, Junior Team Championship and other competitions are also an important part of your system. I see names like Bartosz Smektala making an impact in these competitions before they break thru into the Extraliga and Polish under 21 national team. PS What's happened to Dominik Kubera? I was expecting him to make a break thru this year but he doesn't seem to be riding at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) if PK can get dialled in pretty quickly tonight I could see him taking a full quota of rides where available. hopefully it's the PK we had last season compared to the PK we got the previous season after being dropped by Lakeside although I think that was mainly down to machinery. a great second string to have and also a great mind in the pits for the younger riders P.K is a major benefit to have in the team, even if he didn't ride. To have him at reserve is fantastic for Wolves. The only way P.K won't get 7 rides will be because the team are winning easily. Shame it is not on tv as i love watching P.K ride and his comeback would have been good to see. Edited June 6, 2016 by foreverblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 I think the existence of the Junior League, Junior Team Championship and other competitions are also an important part of your system. I see names like Bartosz Smektala making an impact in these competitions before they break thru into the Extraliga and Polish under 21 national team. PS What's happened to Dominik Kubera? I was expecting him to make a break thru this year but he doesn't seem to be riding at the moment. Agree, many junior meetings also help. But why clubs invest money in these kind of non profit meetings? Simply because they know that they have to have wide base of U21 riders to find those ready for team places in league meetings! And by saying it is hard to find 16 not only U21 but also U23 riders in UK ready to race in EL, you only back this theory. 2 young Brits in each and every team and clubs will simply try to invest and find young gems. Much wiser from wider perspective than having young Swede like 46 years old Peter Karlsson in reserve tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromthe1stbend Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Am I right in thinking this will be on BBC WM tonight? Can't make the meeting, but hoping it is, as I do enjoy their excellent coverage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 P.K is a major benefit to have in the team, even if he didn't ride. To have him at reserve is fantastic for Wolves. The only way P.K won't get 7 rides will be because the team are winning easily. Shame it is not on tv as i love watching P.K ride and his comeback would have been good to see. The team 'should' be winning easily, although of course that's no guarantee. He may well take six if he takes the other reserves ride, plus one of Howarth's.. not sure about the seventh.. the other four should be good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 The problem is we have protected heats which originally was to protect British riders. Once it was agreed to let them move up the old heat format should be used. They would have then earned the right to move up and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 P.K is a major benefit to have in the team, even if he didn't ride. To have him at reserve is fantastic for Wolves. The only way P.K won't get 7 rides will be because the team are winning easily. Shame it is not on tv as i love watching P.K ride and his comeback would have been good to see.Shame it's not on tv to see Coventry get thrashed more like! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 I think the existence of the Junior League, Junior Team Championship and other competitions are also an important part of your system. I see names like Bartosz Smektala making an impact in these competitions before they break thru into the Extraliga and Polish under 21 national team. PS What's happened to Dominik Kubera? I was expecting him to make a break thru this year but he doesn't seem to be riding at the moment. Dominik Kubera recovering from injury. Should be riding pretty soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) Shame it's not on tv to see Coventry get thrashed more like! Didn't Poole lose by 20 at Wolves? 55-35 and that was without track expert PK at reserve and also included a TR 😉 Edited June 6, 2016 by mdmc82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Didn't Poole lose by 20 at Wolves? 55-35 and that was without track expert PK at reserve and also included a TR 😉 That would be a good result for us tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 That would be a good result for us tonight We are rubbish away so not expecting anything tonight. Think even before PK signed we would have struggled. Woryna hasn't really scored much at any away track so far & the others are up and down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Didn't Poole lose by 20 at Wolves? 55-35 and that was without track expert PK at reserve and also included a TR 😉 Think Masters was at reserve then! KL got lucky when they went when they did. As I've said timing is everything this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Think Masters was at reserve then! KL got lucky when they went when they did. As I've said timing is everything this season.Howarth & Clegg were at reserve against Poole. Agree though that this season it's mainly about if you are lucky or unlucky to visit a team at a certain time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_wm Hopefully this link will work, coverage of tonight's meeting on radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 The problem is we have protected heats which originally was to protect British riders. Once it was agreed to let them move up the old heat format should be used. They would have then earned the right to move up and vice versa. Which format would you use for Team A v Team B when one side's reserve has moved up and the other's hasn't? Could be interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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