greyhoundp Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 Just been looking at the Under 21 results, and notice that Daniel Spiller rode for Germany, does that mean that he is now inelegible to ride NL ?. I ask because during the close season I suggested on Fb that Cradley try to sign Kurtis Hammill (born in the UK) the reply was that to do that Kurtis would have to declare he would ride for GB in the future. I was at Eastbourne last Saturday, and some of there fans were expecting Spiller to ride for Eastbourne later in the season, just as he did last year, so seeing as Spiller rode for Germany today, if the same rule applies that applies to Kurtis Hammill applies to Spiller then surely he is now inelegible for NL racing. Yes i do know you can have two Licences same as Robert Lambert had/has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) Spiller can ride NL. The eligibility is that you have to have a British passport but Len wanted to make the kids sign a paper that commits them to Team GB. That never came to fruition and is unlikely to hold any value in reality anyway. Edited June 4, 2016 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 Spiller can ride NL. The eligibility is that you have to have a British passport but Len wanted to make the kids sign a paper that commits them to Team GB. That never came to fruition and is unlikely to hold any value in reality anyway. That is not correct, Robert has been told on numerous occasions that if he competes in an Australian title he will no longer be able to do NL and he has a British passport. So thats only representing himself , so im sure that if you have represented another country it would make him inelagable. Chopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 That was the old rulings. The rules state all you need to participate in nl is British passport & acu license Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 That was the old rulings. The rules state all you need to participate in nl is British passport & acu license We have asked the last 6 years via emails to the BSPA and the answer has been the same,hence why Robert has never competed in them. chopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Wilson Dean was 2 X Nz u21 champ and rode last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Wilson Dean was 2 X Nz u21 champ and rode last year Your right , thanks for bringing that up, will be in the memory bank as will the other kid if hes allowed to ride. Problem is as clubs are finding out this year , its still up to the discretion of the BSPA at the time of asking. Chopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Ok, I didn't add onto the bottom that you can't do national champs (like when Jake Anderson was stopped from riding NL) but you can do the U21s equivalent (like BWD). Simply because it was irrelevant to the Hamill/Spiller query. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted June 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Ok, I didn't add onto the bottom that you can't do national champs (like when Jake Anderson was stopped from riding NL) but you can do the U21s equivalent (like BWD). Simply because it was irrelevant to the Hamill/Spiller query. So in your Opinion according to the current rules Spiller can still ride Nl, so could Kurtis Hammill ride NL, if someone wanted him, and he wanted to ride here ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Hamill doesn't hold a British passport he was born here but never took one up so can only now apply for British citizenship in which would not allow him to ride still he'd have to wait 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 So in your Opinion according to the current rules Spiller can still ride Nl, so could Kurtis Hammill ride NL, if someone wanted him, and he wanted to ride here ?. Only if Hamill literally has a British passport. I don't know if he does but jubilee clip says he hasn't applied for one so therefore he can't ride NL. However Spiller can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Wilson Dean was 2 X Nz u21 champ and rode last year I think we were all conned with this one ( even the bspa). Was given a 5 average to ride in the PL this year, had no intention of riding for GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Did BWD have a GB Passport..? I doubt it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 I think we were all conned with this one ( even the bspa). Was given a 5 average to ride in the PL this year, had no intention of riding for GB. Irrelevant. He came in last year under the then parentage rule on a 5.0 Did BWD have a GB Passport..? I doubt it... Did not need one, that rule came in this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 BWD has repeatedly said that he wants to ride for Team GB, but the BSPA won't let him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 If they want to ride for team GB then fine I don't have problem with then joining the NL. If they don't then I don't see why we should allow them into the NL that is supposed to be for British riders to develop in. In this situation looks like spiller has choose Germany so as far as I'm concerned I hope the BSPA tell him no if a NL side try and sign him IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 If they want to ride for team GB then fine I don't have problem with then joining the NL. If they don't then I don't see why we should allow them into the NL that is supposed to be for British riders to develop in. In this situation looks like spiller has choose Germany so as far as I'm concerned I hope the BSPA tell him no if a NL side try and sign him IMO. How do we know if he was even asked to ride for Team GB this weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 If they want to ride for team GB then fine I don't have problem with then joining the NL. If they don't then I don't see why we should allow them into the NL that is supposed to be for British riders to develop in. In this situation looks like spiller has choose Germany so as far as I'm concerned I hope the BSPA tell him no if a NL side try and sign him IMO. The family are British, I understand his father works as a contractor for the British Army on the Rhine so the kids had to be with them and the only way they could ride was in Germany. They came over in the holidays in 2013 to ride in the British Youth championship one round and then when Daniel was old enough to travel alone came to Eastbourne last summer. Hopefully Ethan will join him next year. He did not choose Germany over Britain but has simply ridden whenever given the opportunity and would no doubt jump at the chance to ride for GB. He cannot put his hopes and career on the line because his father's work has taken him overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 How do we know if he was even asked to ride for Team GB this weekend? That's not what I'm getting at. More if he wanted to ride for GB surely he wouldn't have represented Germany this weekend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Spiller and Hammil should not be confused with BWD. Spiller was born in Britain and so was Hamill and so both can have a British passport if they don't already have one. BWD is not British and neither is his parents so cannot have a passport, because BWD is not British he cannot ride for GB even if he wants to as far as i can work out. I say good luck to spiller riding for Germany in the u21s it gives him invaluable experience that he would not have otherwise had. Hopefully this will make him a better rider for when he rides for team GB in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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