Barney Rabbit Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) Your answers sound like your phobias are more important than getting someone to like speedway. With a disallowed goal in football you could just say disallowed for an infringement. Same with speedway, like BWitcher answer, a simple explanation on the night, then back to the action. And after your replies, did anybody ever come to another meeting. Of course they did and brought all their mates the next week. Yea right. Where have I posted I gave negative replies? After forty five years following the sport all round the world I know well enough what to answer and as I have posted, some accepted it and came again, others didn't. You posted, quite clearly, there is no need to discuss anything other than the actual racing with newbies. All I posted is that the newbies I went with invariably picked up on something and asked about it so I could hardly not talk about guests, d/ups, whatever. Edited June 4, 2016 by Barney Rabbit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 Just tell them... "It's in the interests of Speedway"... That seems to fix everything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 Where have I posted I gave negative replies? After forty five years following the sport all round the world I know well enough what to answer and as I have posted, some accepted it and came again, others didn't. You posted, quite clearly, there is no need to discuss anything other than the actual racing with newbies. All I posted is that the newbies I went with invariably picked up on something and asked about it so I could hardly not talk about guests, d/ups, whatever. off topic lets get back on track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 It's pretty simple to explain rules to non-speedway fans, rider replacement "team mates can take the place of an injured rider", guests "a rider is injured / missing so they can use a rider from another team", tactical ride "rider gets double the points if he beats an opponent". Don't bore potential fans with exact details, averages, if you take someone along to a match let them enjoy the noise, the speed, the power of the bikes. If they want to come back and become regulars, they will soon find out the rules (and become cynics like the rest of us). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) It's pretty simple to explain rules to non-speedway fans, rider replacement "team mates can take the place of an injured rider", guests "a rider is injured / missing so they can use a rider from another team", tactical ride "rider gets double the points if he beats an opponent". Don't bore potential fans with exact details, averages, if you take someone along to a match let them enjoy the noise, the speed, the power of the bikes. If they want to come back and become regulars, they will soon find out the rules (and become cynics like the rest of us). I always found the 'averages' side of things (the principal, not exact figures) to be the easiest part of speedway theory to put over to potential newbies. The idea that all teams have the chance to start off equal, and that one team can't have the world's best seven riders, seems to appeal to most sport-minded folk. Edited June 4, 2016 by Barney Rabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longlivefrankie Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 When Newport was open and I took new people which I tried as often as I could they did enjoy the speed, noise , the race there's was a common complaint the gap between races sometimes it seemed there was nothing going on and no information as to why. I also remember one famous occasion where there was a crash and we waited patiently and understandingly then there was onexracexthen a interval which was differ cult to explain Speedway most certainly doesn't help it self sometimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Every promoter and micman oughta spend a few meetings on the terraces to see what show they are putting on ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 I always found the 'averages' side of things (the principal, not exact figures) to be the easiest part of speedway theory to put over to potential newbies. The idea that all teams have the chance to start off equal, and that one team can't have the world's best seven riders, seems to appeal to most sport-minded folk. That's true. What I was meaning was averages in relation to guests and rider replacement and swapping from Elite League to Premier League averages etc. Averages for team building is straight forward for beginners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 That's true. What I was meaning was averages in relation to guests and rider replacement and swapping from Elite League to Premier League averages etc. Averages for team building is straight forward for beginners.And no way do you need to go into that level of detail. Just explain that if a rider is injured they can be replaced by a rider of equal or lower average from another team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 And no way do you need to go into that level of detail. Just explain that if a rider is injured they can be replaced by a rider of equal or lower average from another team. It kind of is...especially when you take your girlfriend for the first time to Swindon, then the next time to Somerset, and she's scratching her head, thinking wtf! 'weren't this lot riding for Swindon last week?' Then explaining the reasons and averages...she just laughed and we enjoyed the racing. She's now hooked...she loves the racing but laughs at everything else...as in it's so bad, it's comically good. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) This forum has taught me one thing, new fans to the sport have an astounding level of knowledge when it comes to the speedway rule book it genuinely feels like quite a few have had the following conversations either at a meeting, work or the pub. “What were you up to at the weekend” “I was at the speedway” “Ow speedway….hahaha, I was interested but then I found out about page 23 section d rule ii paragraph 4 and decide it wasn’t for me” as they walk away laughing Everyday occurrence that, it must be given the number of cases where people have spoken to someone or introduced someone. Edited June 6, 2016 by The Mockingjay 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 This forum has taught me one thing, new fans to the sport have an astounding level of knowledge when it comes to the speedway rule book it genuinely feels like quite a few have had the following conversations either at a meeting, work or the pub. “What were you up to at the weekend” “I was at the speedway” “Ow speedway….hahaha, I was interested but then I found out about page 23 section d rule ii paragraph 4 and decide it wasn’t for me” as they walk away laughing Everyday occurrence that, it must be given the number of cases where people have spoken to someone or introduced someone. You're very badly informed. There is no section d rule ii on page 23... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 You're very badly informed. There is no section d rule ii on page 23... I don't think you got the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 I don't think you got the point I think a "Whoosh" is appropriate right about now... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) Any sport or game is as only as good as its foundations. Speedway, its rules, who rides for what team in what league or country.. it has got too much for me, someone who wants it simple. For example, teams are like the moment all the balls are put into the lottery machine. It isn't long before a rider gets thrown out. Supporting a team now is flimsy. A sense of whoever is available has dragged down the sport and reduced team/club speedway less important than individual competition. When fans react by trying to win an argument by referring to the rulebook, we know it's gone a bit too far. When pre-season forecasts in the Speedway Star are worthless and pointless, as it ain't long before the first team change arrives, just shows the short term problem that speedway has. When, to me, the whole domestic season is just a total spin and directed towards a few crowd-pulling fixtures in October, when it feels like much of the time teams are cobbled together like the war-time meetings, when promoters just booked whoever was available, it has lost my 53 year-old full attention. I can't stop thinking many of the league bashes on the way to the Play-Offs are simply used as practice, see who can drop enough points, a bit of thinkering and whether a team can magically introduce a Play-Off-winning capture or two before September. I read a story in the Star, about promoters and a radical change to the sport - six man teams, 15 heats and... wait for it... the scrapping of the double-bubble rule and a return to the old tac-sub (six points behind). The only problem is, in 1997 when six man teams were tried many sides put out five men! Almost 15 years on and the goofs in charge have only just worked out supporters don't like the double-points thing. Imagine... another decade from now, we may even get 13 heats back! Edited June 10, 2016 by moxey63 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Has the new stadium got you back attending Moxley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Has the new stadium got you back attending Moxley? No. He still has to pay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) No. He still has to pay Yes, and you're still telling that joke! Move on, Phil, for Pete's sake. I won't pay for anything I don't enjoy. I used to get in for "free" as I contributed to the prog but had actually stopped attending before I stopped doing the prog, so there is the real answer, not something you are led to believe. So I was turning down a so-called "freebie" but still doing the prog! If you class it as a "freebie" then so be it... but the research, time, using my own material that I collected for yonks. I suppose it's like Belle Vue requesting ex-champs to pay for all the time they've given. You don't do things for nowt... not for long anyway. Unless you are doormat material. I also have speedway on SKY, all the stuff, and I pay for it... but I never watch that either! So why would I travel, take time, pay to get in the new place... but, as I do at home, play about doing something else while the lad's are racing a few yards away. And, by the way, I have pondered on trying the new place...a new broom and fresh chance perhaps to win me back. But the Frank Spencer impression of the speedway first night doused any of those thoughts. Same old, same old (a bit like you, Phil) Modern speedway, Phil, for me anyway, is like that joke about the rival football team. I'd draw the curtains if there was a track in my garden. Edited June 10, 2016 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Why the hell would you be posting on a forum about something you don't go to, you don't watch and you don't enjoy. Some very strange folk about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) Why the hell would you be posting on a forum about something you don't go to, you don't watch and you don't enjoy. Some very strange folk about. It's like somebody going on one of those Facebook sites, recalling memories of days gone. You don't live in them there days, wish you did, and therefore keep strolling back thanks to the site. Or it's like fetching out those holiday snaps we keep. You never throw them away but never go back to the resort. I also feel, as a person that can still be bothered and hasn't completely washed their hands, that speedway is still a fine sport. With a bit of tuning, and the dumping of the Double Points and return of tac subs is a start, perhaps one day I may rekindle my fondness of the holiday resort that is speedway. At the moment though... it is like Blackpool. Please... back to the topic in hand. Edited June 10, 2016 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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