bruno Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Farce rule yet again. I was at Glasgow and worrall seemed to just blast through the tapes. How should that be rewarded with a like for like replacement. Why not just change the tapes rule to if you touch them your out, no replacement. Simple 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 The rulebook is actually quite clear on this occasion. All the best Rob PS I'm glad you don't write the rulebook - all those misplaced apostrophes would drive me mental If the rule is quite clear why the the Ref at the Berwick match interpretate it different from the Berwick Team Manager.Ps It would appear the man in charge of the meeting got it wrong then,typical these days. so in a tactical (cynical) point of view, if a rider needs more time to be ready for heat 15, nominate someone else to go out and break the tapes, and then get put in as replacement First check would be what Ref is in charge of the meeting though (just in case)!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Farce rule yet again. I was at Glasgow and worrall seemed to just blast through the tapes. How should that be rewarded with a like for like replacement. Why not just change the tapes rule to if you touch them your out, no replacement. Simple I'd rather see 4 riders in a race, rather than 3, if it can be avoided (excluded and a re-run for example). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) Chapman was quoted in this week's Speedway Star that he wishes to rip up the existing rulebook and start again. Well Buster, this farcical change was added during your watch, so are you going to attempt to rescind it NOW? Edited May 30, 2016 by cyclone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Chapman was quoted in this week's Speedway Star that he wishes to rip up the existing rulebook and start again. Well Buster, this farcical change was added during your watch, so are you going to attempt to rescind it NOW? No it wasn't. 2016 rules were introduced before Chapman was made Chairman. Rules can't be changed but can be made up as we go along though, so all's good 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 No it wasn't. 2016 rules were introduced before Chapman was made Chairman. Rules can't be changed but can be made up as we go along though, so all's good Chapman's appointment confirmed on 4th November 2015. SCB 2016 Regulations publicly available 5th March 2016. So enlighten us of the actual date when the 2016 rules were introduced, or are you just making this up to defend Dear Old Buster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Chapman's appointment confirmed on 4th November 2015. SCB 2016 Regulations publicly available 5th March 2016. So enlighten us of the actual date when the 2016 rules were introduced, or are you just making this up to defend Dear Old Buster? He is correct. The rules for the current season were set before Chapman was appointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Here`s another for the refs out there, to my knowledge there`s been two riders excluded from races for crossing the centre green, Henning Bager at Newcastle recently being one, but in todays meeting at Rye House Redcar`s David Bellego was put back 15m. Is this another case of one rule with two interpretations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Here`s another for the refs out there, to my knowledge there`s been two riders excluded from races for crossing the centre green, Henning Bager at Newcastle recently being one, but in todays meeting at Rye House Redcar`s David Bellego was put back 15m. Is this another case of one rule with two interpretations. 3 interpretations. Before the 1st heat at Rye House one of the Redcar riders did it twice with no penalty. Later on a Redcar rider was warned off by the CotC via the start marshal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 3 interpretations. Before the 1st heat at Rye House one of the Redcar riders did it twice with no penalty. Later on a Redcar rider was warned off by the CotC via the start marshal. Only in speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Rule book says it's not permitted.... but doesn't say of any punishment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Why do they keep changing rules every year, I've given up with them now. I just go and enjoy the racing without really caring about the result anymore 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 The "no crossing the centre green" rule has been introduced to prevent injury to centre green staff, medics, sponsors from getting hit... Also to protect riders from colliding with centre green equipment, cables, etc.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 The "no crossing the centre green" rule has been introduced to prevent injury to centre green staff, medics, sponsors from getting hit... Also to protect riders from colliding with centre green equipment, cables, etc.. I had heard also (but can't find it in the rule book) that the 2 minute rule has also changed as a consequence. Riders just have to be on track moving in the anti-clockwise direction before the 2 minutes are up to not be excluded. Is this the case? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 I had heard also (but can't find it in the rule book) that the 2 minute rule has also changed as a consequence. Riders just have to be on track moving in the anti-clockwise direction before the 2 minutes are up to not be excluded. Is this the case? It is, and in fact, that's all it says in the regs with no mention of not leaving the track. That was how it was explained though at the start of the season. 15.2.5 Riders must at the expiry of this time allowance, be on the track, under power, proceeding without stopping towards the Starting Gate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 It is, and in fact, that's all it says in the regs with no mention of not leaving the track. That was how it was explained though at the start of the season. 15.2.5 Riders must at the expiry of this time allowance, be on the track, under power, proceeding without stopping towards the Starting Gate. See, now that is a simple rule to understand. So a rider going across the centre green after the 2 mins should be excluded as they'd of left the track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) See, now that is a simple rule to understand. So a rider going across the centre green after the 2 mins should be excluded as they'd of left the track Before, after or during, YES. Edited May 31, 2016 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 I had heard also (but can't find it in the rule book) that the 2 minute rule has also changed as a consequence. Riders just have to be on track moving in the anti-clockwise direction before the 2 minutes are up to not be excluded. Is this the case? Yes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 Changed for this year Reserves or another eligible rider In the right circumstances that could be anyone else, doesn't make a lot of sense but then that's our rulebook Does this only apply to heat 15? Rule book as published shows as :- 15.14.3 Nominations must be a “qualified” rider, determined as either: a) A Top 3 Points Scorer (counting the 4 x Programmed Rides only including Bonus Points) or if one of those Top 3 Point Scorers has already taken 7 Rides, then the 4th highest Points Scorer becomes a “qualified” rider. (NB. No facility is available allowing another rider to be elevated to the qualified list if any of those Top 3 Points Scorers is unavailable due to being withdrawn or has no equipment) OR A rider in the top 3 of that Meeting’s Team by current MA (NB. a Team missing one of their Top 3 and using the RR Facility may use the 4th highest rider by MA). If a rider is disqualified for an offence under Art 15.3 or a non-disqualified rider is unable to take part in a re-run (FN) then the place may be taken by a Reserve or another “qualified” rider. Obviously as this last sentence is in bold, this is a rule change but has it been added in & attached to the wrong rule & means in all heats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 Obviously as this last sentence is in bold, this is a rule change but has it been added in & attached to the wrong rule & means in all heats. It can't be all heats because heat 15 is the only one that has "qualified" riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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