thecoombdog Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Arnieg on another thread said no. In which case a major blunder by Rosco not to use it. Yeah to be fair I just saw on the Swindon Adver comments page that it does exist because someone asked the ref! If that's correct then what a F up. Surely Rosco wouldn't make a mistake like that though. It's so basic. Maybe it's one of those rules which has been changed without anyone knowing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Seem To recall Leicester coming to Saddlebow last season and causing an upset. It happens. Thankfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 One for all the rules people. Has IRR been abandoned for this year? I wonder if it has changed as when Rory got injured at home to Coventry, a reserve was used to replace him rather than mads or Kai. Â Then when Cook was withdrawn in the sky meeting, A reserve was used rather than Fricke or Richie (although could have been down to Steve riding better on the night) Â In Swindon's meeting against King's Lynn, Tungate was also replaced by a reserve rather than any of the other team riders when yet Rohan had the 2nd highest average at the time. Â It all points towards the rule being changed. It's a bit unfair to teams if it has, as if a rider gets injured esp by an opposing rider then why should they be punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Evidently not by design but…..this seasons EL is pretty good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Pretty sure arnieg checked the regulations and could still be used if rider had had two or fewer rides. Scb can probably confirm? Edited June 3, 2016 by waihekeaces1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Not a good result for the roobins at all. It seemed that the team is really inconsistent since the position changes and the main question is did Rosco forget to use the IRR rule, if it still exists, for the injured Rohan. Congratulations to Leicester on a good win. Â One rumour mentioned that can be quashed is that I was told that Jason is riding at Leicester on saturday by someone who is normally reliable, but will it matter. Edited June 3, 2016 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Well done Leicester Speedway Club. Â Any truth to the rumour that Ranieri was in the pits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzCagney Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) The team has done well but perhaps punched a bit above their weight there for a while. Certainly Rosco's assertion that the doubters were wrong after the sluggish start to the season must be coming back to haunt him a little now. Â The play-off's are still well achievable in this woeful Elite League but the boys are going to have to dig deeper than this. Edited June 3, 2016 by BuzzCagney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Pretty sure arnieg checked the regulations and could still be used if rider had had two or fewer rides. Scb can probably confirm? Here are the rules regarding this situation:  17.9 An INJURED RIDER REPLACEMENT (IRR) Is a Facility that allows one certified injured rider’s (#1-#5) remaining programmed rides (including a ride in which he was unable to re-start but was not disqualified - FN) to be taken by other Team Members (including any Guest riders), providing the Team is not already using ARR and subject to: 17.9.1 The injured Rider not having completed 3 rides 17.9.2 Only one position per Team may be declared as IRR. 17.9.3 All riders with an MA below the Injured rider may take one IRR ride each. 17.9.4 IRR is not permitted in Heat 15. 17.9.5 A Nomination once made cannot be changed. 17.9.6 A rider taking an IRR ride may be nominated to take a TR ride (Art. 17.10)  However, this probably does not apply if a rider goes into a meeting carrying an existing injury then withdraws subsequently. Edited June 3, 2016 by tocha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Doubt you'll get a peep out of Gavan on this thread - its not Poole-related!!! might well get a peep from Bwitcher though ,since none of his posts are relevant to any thread , just abusive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 What a load of roobish swindon! From top to mid table with 3 defeats this week. Will be lucky to finish top 4 unless cha ges are made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Nothing in those irrelevant rules suggest you can't use the irr facility for an aggravated injury rather than a new injury. So looks like an inexcusable stuff up from rosco. Anyone tweeted him for an explanation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Looks like Swindon lost rather than Leicester won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Pretty sure arnieg checked the regulations and could still be used if rider had had two or fewer rides. Scb can probably confirm? Â Why do you need SCB to confirm? You can read the rule, as I well as I can. It makes no mention of the rider needing to be injured on the night, so Swindon could have used IRR last night. Â All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 I wonder if it has changed as when Rory got injured at home to Coventry, a reserve was used to replace him rather than mads or Kai. Then when Cook was withdrawn in the sky meeting, A reserve was used rather than Fricke or Richie (although could have been down to Steve riding better on the night) In Swindon's meeting against King's Lynn, Tungate was also replaced by a reserve rather than any of the other team riders when yet Rohan had the 2nd highest average at the time. It all points towards the rule being changed. It's a bit unfair to teams if it has, as if a rider gets injured esp by an opposing rider then why should they be punished. The examples you have quoted are not equivalent as IRR only applies for two rides or more. Â There is nothing in the rule about whether the injury is new or pre-existing. Â And as coombedog pointed out it was confirmed elsewhere by the referee that IRR was available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Rosco needs to hold his hands up here and explain why he did or more to the point did not act in the correct tactical way. The table is very open for play off spots and this will continue 'till the end of the cut off period and losing three points could cost them both in terms of glory and financial gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Â Why do you need SCB to confirm? You can read the rule, as I well as I can. It makes no mention of the rider needing to be injured on the night, so Swindon could have used IRR last night. Â All the best Rob Because I had issues downloading the file on my phone so couldn't check the rules. But someone has quoted it elsewhere, and agree it is quite clear. I seem to remember that there were around 18 riders on the hl list who were realistically going to ride el this season so how would removing two riders who were on the list and in the top 24 of the averages help? Â Both Watt and King did ride as hl last season, I've no idea if it was 1 or 21 meetings but even ignoring the points they scored at second string I bet they both had hl averages in the top 24 of the riders who were probably going to ride el this season. Â Happy to be proved wrong but even if they weren't (in the top 24) I still can't see how not having them on the list would have helped. Â There were some slight anomalies (no Kennett or PK) and one glaring anomaly (a second string was recently replaced by another teams no.1 and it supposedly weakened them, in reality it didn't but that spoils the point I'm making here, lol) otherwise, based on what we knew at the start of the season the hl list was correct. It's because the whole point of the hl list should have been to make sure teams couldn't lead up on riders with artificially low averages and ensure riders with artificially high averages were still employable.Trying to spread the 24 "top" riders like this achieved very little Imo. Either way, it probably had little impact on team building, Poole as usual built the strongest team, Leicester built a rubbish team, and most of the rest found they were a genuine heat leader caliber ruder shirt as there simply were not enough interested in riding in Britain. And the three hl rule lasting only to may made it a farce anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 Szymon Wozniak. He dropped to reserve on Monday but the Polish Authorities have withdrawn permission to ride in the UK How do the Polish authorities get away with this, I was under the assumption one could get paid employment anywhere in the EU 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 How do the Polish authorities get away with this, I was under the assumption one could get paid employment anywhere in the EU An individual rider can but the Polish clubs have the power and pay a lot of money, and they tell the riders what they will do and when they will do it. The rider can go against what the club wants but risks losing his Polish contract and the pay that goes with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 As for the irr thing, if a rider isn't injured in the meeting he is required to have a minimum of 3 rides. If Tungate was injured in last night's meeting irr was available, if he wasn't then he should have had 3 rides and if he wasn't able to take his third ride a race with only 3 riders should have taken place. Perhaps that should be the case but it is not what the rule says. IRR was available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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