E I Addio Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) Seeing the light and switching it on are 2 very different things!!! An excellent post that says all that really needs to be said on the subject. All we have from Chapman so far is playing to the gallery, talking about tearing the rule book up and starting again. Around 80/85% of the Speedway Regulations are governed by FIM rules, Health and Safety, Insurance, and a whole range of other matters that would still have to come out the same if you tore them up and re-wrote them. There are a few sections of the team building regulations and racing rules that are controversial (usually because it suits people to claim they don't understand them in order to cheat) and those are the ones that need looking at. I am afraid the jury is still out on Mr Chapman and until he comes out and says "This is what I think is wrong, this is how it needs to be put right " . theres not really much to judge him on. Talking about ripping the entire thing up when most of it is ok is just pandering to the great unwashed . What really matters is what he wants it to look like when its done. So me it was a bit of a non-article. Edited May 28, 2016 by E I Addio 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 OK so if they cannot ride as reserve, are they still entitled to replace a rider riding at reserve? Where in the rules does it say they may? That I believe is scbs point. It is his point correct. But the rule book regarding No'8s is abysmal. Hence why I asked Rob Lyon and that's what I got back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 wow...seems i've got a stalker...total infatuation. Gresham, just a piece of advice, theres people on forums you gel with, and people you don't, its not compulsory to answer anybody..sorry others, as I'm off thread! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 My take on improving the situation the sport is in... Remedies that can help immediately (i.e. next season) Different race nights for EL and PL which solves the problems with double up riders. Continue with the fast track system but change the race format. Just those two changes alone would improve things immensely. It wouldn't bring the crowds flocking back in but it would stop the bleeding at the very least providing a more stable platform to build from. I'd be quite happy to see the tactical ride scrapped and a reversion to the old tactical substitution rule also. I'd go along with that plus some kind of fast track system in the PL to encourage and nurture the young NL riders. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will speedway be put back on the right track but the above is a good starting point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) Well having watched Jon Armstrong and Tony Atkin at Belle Vue recently I'd say the NL is for any rider who feels that is his level, and rightly so. For me the mix of experience works well and gives the young riders something to measure themselves against, both Armstrong and Atkin were great value at Belle Vue. Hall would be considered a superstar in the NL and may be too good but I remember the days of 11+ averages in the British League and it was great to watch the 'lesser' riders particularly if they popped out of the gate or, in the case of PC and Mort, beat them from the back! I think you're dead right about having senior riders in each NL team as long as the overwhelming majority are there for development.. The thing about Hall is that he isn't being blocked for riding for Birmingham, he's just being allocated a prohibitive (and entirely inconsistent) average. Edited May 28, 2016 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 I think you're dead right about having senior riders in each NL team as long as the overwhelming majority are there for development.. The thing about Hall is that he isn't being blocked for riding for Birmingham, he's just being allocated a prohibitive (and entirely inconsistent) average. To all intents and purposes though, he is being blocked. That's why somebody's gone all the way back to find that prohibitive and entirely inconsistent average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) Let's get rid of Double Points and make it a sport capable of doubling its crowds. Edited May 28, 2016 by moxey63 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Let's get rid of Double Points and make it a sport capable of doubling its crowds. Nice one. :party: :party: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) Surely, though, it's too big of an ask for one man to solve. Speedway needs, and here goes, a root and branch review of how it's going to survive. Nothing against Keith Chapman, but he has been part for the problem the past 25 years. We need an independent investigation into why a decent sport has been fiddled about with to a point where getting by for another year, let alone a week, is a success. We, as fans, have different ideas of what we like and don't like, as I expect Keith has. But why not just refer to what has worked in the past. Too many things have been changed for changing sake. I am not going to go on about what I prefer, but speedway is a sport right now, and I'll use another analogy, where all its colours has been put in with its whites. It is a right old mess. One example, as such, is the breath of fresh air and boost the National Stadium would offer. But that bubble has quickly been popped by the birth it was given. Now, with it up and running, does anybody actually know Belle Vue's chosen racenight? Like the sport, it is all over the place.... Edited May 28, 2016 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 ENCOURAGING comments by BSPA Chairman Buster Chapman in this week's Speedway Star about basically tearing up the rulebook and starting again. Someone is seeing the light. I bet that's boosted sales of Speedway Star as everyone now rushes out to buy a copy :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 It's ok to talk t the talk in The Speedway Star , but will they ever actually walk the walk . Who is going to do the re-writing ? The same clowns who are responsible for the current mess with the draft riders ? If there is to be a new rule book then there has to be a proper panel set up with representatives from all corners of the sport and not just the same old boys club who's only interest is self protection 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Unfortunately despite a lot of talk and a few PR it's been the same old same old BSPA with nothing really changing. BV opening night, the EDR averages cock up followed by the Cook and Hall decisions. We will see what the winter brings but I am not holding my breath. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Can't blame the bspa for the bv opening night, I thought Chapman had made that clear at least? And he's right. I do feel Keith Chapman has washed his hands of everything 2016. He did say from the very start that he'd of done thing's very different had he been leading the 2016 AGM & to judge him on 2017. Having said it in his very first press release I think it's fair to give him that chance. The Craig Cook shenanigans seem to have been left to Rob Godfrey to deal with. The Richard Hall situation I think the BSPA (whoever took charge of it) made the right call but that's down to just opinion. What I can say, from various press releases & interviews Chapman is already working on 2017. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Has Buster Chapman apologised for his remarks re BV opening meeting??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Has Buster Chapman apologised for his remarks re BV opening meeting??????? What's he got to apologise for?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 For making a scathing statement before he had all the facts. Fundamental mistake. Before you make a decision (any decision) you should know all the facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 You can't become chairman then disown every decision made by the organisation you are chairman of and not look like a berk. As for the bv opening night, letting fans in when there is no chance of a bike going on the track is stupid and should be criticised, only a pillock would do that. To be clear, I'm not defending Chapman on anything 2016. 2016 has been run like total dog s#!+e and things ain't all that rosy in his own back yard with attendances dropping like flies. I've been very critical of that, so I'm not one to be just viewing through my blue & yellow tinted glasses. All I'm saying is that he's asked to be judged from what happens in 2017 and I think that's fair to do as he'd made that clear from the very start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 It's ok to talk t the talk in The Speedway Star , but will they ever actually walk the walk . Who is going to do the re-writing ? The same clowns who are responsible for the current mess with the draft riders ? If there is to be a new rule book then there has to be a proper panel set up with representatives from all corners of the sport and not just the same old boys club who's only interest is self protection Maybe its time to hand over the writing of the rule book to an independent body, or a person without an interest in any club. Has Buster Chapman apologised for his remarks re BV opening meeting??????? Why should he, what had he got to do with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Maybe its time to hand over the writing of the rule book to an independent body, or a person without an interest in any club. Quite agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 It'd be a start if they did some basic proofreading so that the regs read the same way they were voted on at the AGM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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