ColinMills Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Give him a chance? I gave him one. He's failed, a few times. Like how, when the rules state Carl Wilkinson should be in the 1-5 has he ridden in reserve for the last 2 meetings? And then that means Busk-Jakobsen rides in reserve so Kai Huckenbeck cannot replace him as he can only replace a 1-5 rider. Ive asked on here, I've tweeted the BSPA and Kings Lynn and nobody has the decency to respond. Don't the BSPA "get" twitter? It's not liek the regular press where all comms is one way, twitter you have discussion. If I tweet BT or Sky I'll get a response. Tweet the BSPa or the BSPA chairmans club and I'm point blank ignored. Despite his promise of "transparency". good post scb.....I contacted a club sponsor, got answer I wanted in 3 minutes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 ENCOURAGING comments by BSPA Chairman Buster Chapman in this week's Speedway Star about basically tearing up the rulebook and starting again. Someone is seeing the light. I like Buster at the helm but lets wait and see what comes from tearing up the rule book, its something that shouldve happened many years ago so its at least a positive the its happening at all. Devil will be in the detail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Give him a chance? I gave him one. He's failed, a few times. Like how, when the rules state Carl Wilkinson should be in the 1-5 has he ridden in reserve for the last 2 meetings? And then that means Busk-Jakobsen rides in reserve so Kai Huckenbeck cannot replace him as he can only replace a 1-5 rider. Ive asked on here, I've tweeted the BSPA and Kings Lynn and nobody has the decency to respond. Don't the BSPA "get" twitter? It's not liek the regular press where all comms is one way, twitter you have discussion. If I tweet BT or Sky I'll get a response. Tweet the BSPa or the BSPA chairmans club and I'm point blank ignored. Despite his promise of "transparency". I think it's quite clear how the situation with No'8s work No rider with an assessed average in the 1-5 can ride at reserve including the No'8s It's the initial season starting 1-5 a No'8 can replace excluding the EDR's irrespective of their position in the team If the assessed No'8 replaces a rider that's dropped to reserve the No'8 has to be in the main body of the team Simple & confirmed by Rob Lyon Copy & paste this and ask him direct on Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 ENCOURAGING comments by BSPA Chairman Buster Chapman in this week's Speedway Star about basically tearing up the rulebook and starting again. Someone is seeing the light. Seeing the light and switching it on are 2 very different things!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Yeah, football is just like speedway, it is practically the same sport if you really think about it. Your grievance on this occasion isn’t with me, it is with your own use and understanding of the English language “the away teams rarely wins away in Speedway” the key words there are SPEEDWAY and RARELY, what happens on a football pitch makes zero difference to that statement, not one single iota. Rarely means the following – not often, seldom. Thus far this season, and this is just from memory but Belle Vue, Lakeside, Swindon, Wolverhampton, Kings Lynn, Berwick, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Sheffield, Somerset, Peterborough, Newcastle, Workington, Ipswich and Scunthorpe have all either drawn or won at least once on the road Thus far this season Belle Vue, Coventry, Leicester, Poole, Berwick, Edinburgh, Sheffield, Peterborough, Redcar, Ipswich and Scunthorpe have either lost or dropped points at home thus showing other teams win at their track. This is before even considering the NL. That isn’t “rare” this season away wins happen, maybe if your statement wasn’t as hyperbolic and sweeping there might have been some validity to it, but even then home defeats have already happened often – frequently, many times, this season. I find it laughable that the 'usual suspect. makes an unqualified statement, but you are asked to do the maths to prove it right of wrong. What a tool he is. I don't know who told him, but the person at the Swindon forum who said it was Ipswich who wanted it introduced was Matt Ford, who was there as a guest speaker. It's introduction was during my time as a promoter. The Golden Double was proposed, i think just for EL meetings, and I seem to remember Colin Pratt being it's biggest supporter. After about a year the rules were modified, and the double points ruling was proposed in the PL by Len Silver,(sat next to me), and seconded by Ronnie Russell. On behalf of Newcastle I voted against it in the PL, but was outvoted. The quoted post by RacerX is dated 2004, which was sometime afterwards and TS's were introduced off 15mts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 It wasn't less effective was it? It could be used twice and when only 8 behind and there was the 15m as well. Sky wanted a more effective system and got it, they are not happy now though but that's no secret is it? Ian Thomas told me the story who I knew very well from working with his lad, he wasn't one for making things up, who told you? Best you have another word with Lyndon then and clarify his/your understanding, this was all about the cost of using a number 1 as a tac sub and yes it was Ipswich who proposed the change. Can you imagine the cost of giving Gollob a tac ride and heat 15? Heaven forbid he qualified for an RR ride as well ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Let's get rid of 'Double Points' - doo dah, doo dah, Let's get rid of 'Double Points' - Doo Dah Doo Dah Day. :party: :party: Then I can return. I do hope that Mr. Chapman is at least considering it. That'll cure all speedway's ills then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 I think it's quite clear how the situation with No'8s work No rider with an assessed average in the 1-5 can ride at reserve including the No'8s 1. It's the initial season starting 1-5 a No'8 can replace excluding the EDR's irrespective of their position in the team 2. If the assessed No'8 replaces a rider that's dropped to reserve the No'8 has to be in the main body of the team Simple & confirmed by Rob Lyon Copy & paste this and ask him direct on Twitter. 1. Hmm so I suppose it could be interpreted that way but no-one has done until KL. 2. Where does it say anything like that in the rule book?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 I think it's quite clear how the situation with No'8s work No rider with an assessed average in the 1-5 can ride at reserve including the No'8s It's the initial season starting 1-5 a No'8 can replace excluding the EDR's irrespective of their position in the team If the assessed No'8 replaces a rider that's dropped to reserve the No'8 has to be in the main body of the team Simple & confirmed by Rob Lyon Copy & paste this and ask him direct on Twitter. thats a messed up logic. It's like saying "all pregnant people are women so all women are pregnant" A #8 can only only replace a 1-5 rider does NOT mean a #8 rides in the 1-5 if he replaces a reserve. I find it laughable that the 'usual suspect. makes an unqualified statement, but you are asked to do the maths to prove it right of wrong. What a tool he is. It's introduction was during my time as a promoter. The Golden Double was proposed, i think just for EL meetings, and I seem to remember Colin Pratt being it's biggest supporter. After about a year the rules were modified, and the double points ruling was proposed in the PL by Len Silver,(sat next to me), and seconded by Ronnie Russell. On behalf of Newcastle I voted against it in the PL, but was outvoted. The quoted post by RacerX is dated 2004, which was sometime afterwards and TS's were introduced off 15mts. The TR was introduced in the PL KOC in 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 That'll cure all speedway's ills then Well it would mine. If a Product doesn't provide what I want or something I like (or provides something I hate) - I don't buy it. There are a lot more like me believe me. Of course it won't solve all of Speedway's ills but it would certainly help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejam Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) Would anyone trust Chipmunk to do the rewriting, anyway? After the Hall debacle - which had nothing to do with averages - I wouldn't trust him to wipe his nose. Or buy a train ticket before he boarded!! Edited May 28, 2016 by bluejam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 At least maybe the penny has dropped and changes are on way. Any changes made should be put to a fans consortium for scrutiny then approval. Because some on here know more than the guys making up the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 At least maybe the penny has dropped and changes are on way. Any changes made should be put to a fans consortium for scrutiny then approval. Because some on here know more than the guys making up the rules. Changes for the sake is change could well leave our sport in a worse position than its in now, but I think we can all agree that change is needed. Sticking to the rules, what ever they are, would be a step in the right direction for a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 thats a messed up logic. It's like saying "all pregnant people are women so all women are pregnant" A #8 can only only replace a 1-5 rider does NOT mean a #8 rides in the 1-5 if he replaces a reserve. The TR was introduced in the PL KOC in 2003 For once I'm quite shocked you're not getting it Huckenbeck will be able to go to reserve once his official average goes live. Until then, if he replaces Jakobsen he has to be in the main body. Is not difficult. No assessed rider in the 1-5 or No'8 can be a reserve until they gain an official average. Simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Getting the big names is not the be all & end all of fixing British Speedway. The big names are completely irrelevant. Totally agree with that, no way 'Big Names' can be supported at the current attendance levels. Would have to start at the bottom and work up. My absolute hate is the tourist rider situation that now exists, a rider cant have 4 teams in a serious sport can they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Yeah, football is just like speedway, it is practically the same sport if you really think about it. Your grievance on this occasion isn’t with me, it is with your own use and understanding of the English language “the away teams rarely wins away in Speedway” the key words there are SPEEDWAY and RARELY, what happens on a football pitch makes zero difference to that statement, not one single iota. Rarely means the following – not often, seldom. Thus far this season, and this is just from memory but Belle Vue, Lakeside, Swindon, Wolverhampton, Kings Lynn, Berwick, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Sheffield, Somerset, Peterborough, Newcastle, Workington, Ipswich and Scunthorpe have all either drawn or won at least once on the road Thus far this season Belle Vue, Coventry, Leicester, Poole, Berwick, Edinburgh, Sheffield, Peterborough, Redcar, Ipswich and Scunthorpe have either lost or dropped points at home thus showing other teams win at their track. This is before even considering the NL. That isn’t “rare” this season away wins happen, maybe if your statement wasn’t as hyperbolic and sweeping there might have been some validity to it, but even then home defeats have already happened often – frequently, many times, this season. Why the constant hostility...you've taken my words totally out of context. I implied in my second comment to you, that Speedway has fewer away wins, percentage wise, over a season than many other sports. It's not a throw away comment. The details are their if you choose to google it. I have no grievance...I was just adding a thought to a forum debate. You and a few others, seem intent on trolling and making snide comments. If you don't agree with what I say...why not just ignore it? I do on many occasions. A few of you seem to get off trolling people on here. I don't understand the constant bickering and hostility. It's really one of the most unfriendly forums. As for the bloke who called me a Tool...nice. I'd like to see you do that to my face...easy behind a keyboard isn't it. Coward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Another post where Gresham posts some nonsense, is corrected on it and instead of being an adult and accepting it, proceeds to continue with elongated posts, trying to change what he originally said before resorting to calling anyone who points out he is incorrect a troll.. all that is left is the threat of 'placing people' on ignore. I was wrong earlier in the thread, when Fred Flange showed me the evidence I immediately apologised and that was the end of the matter. My take on improving the situation the sport is in... Remedies that can help immediately (i.e. next season) Different race nights for EL and PL which solves the problems with double up riders. Continue with the fast track system but change the race format. Just those two changes alone would improve things immensely. It wouldn't bring the crowds flocking back in but it would stop the bleeding at the very least providing a more stable platform to build from. I'd be quite happy to see the tactical ride scrapped and a reversion to the old tactical substitution rule also. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 wow...seems i've got a stalker...total infatuation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) wow...seems i've got a stalker...total infatuation. It can't be me, you've announced many times that I'm on ignore. Edited May 28, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 OK so if they cannot ride as reserve, are they still entitled to replace a rider riding at reserve? Where in the rules does it say they may? That I believe is scbs point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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