Buster's Views

[Grachan]

 

I see you're gullible enough to fall for promoters spin, blaming someone else for their decision.

 

You're also suggesting that Sky are dumb enough to want a system less effective at keeping meetings close... in order to 'keep meetings close'.

 

I've heard it from two promoters that it was cost related and that Ipswich were the primary movers behind its introduction.

 

If Sky indeed had the power to make such rulings, it wouldn't have been changed from two to one...

 

I believe you are correct regarding Ipswich being instrumental in the introduction of the Tactical Ride.

 

There was a pre-season forum at Swindon the year it was introduced and it was announced there that Ipswich wanted this and would not stay in the EL unless it was introduced - hence its introduction.

 

And now they are in the PL anyway.

 

Why would Sky want this instead of the old TS, which gave the top riders more outings and made matches closer and more tactical that the TR?

[Grachan]

It wasn't less effective was it?

 

It could be used twice and when only 8 behind and there was the 15m as well.

 

Sky wanted a more effective system and got it, they are not happy now though but that's no secret is it?

 

Ian Thomas told me the story who I knew very well from working with his lad, he wasn't one for making things up, who told you?

 

I don't know who told him, but the person at the Swindon forum who said it was Ipswich who wanted it introduced was Matt Ford, who was there as a guest speaker.

[BWitcher]

 

I don't know who told him, but the person at the Swindon forum who said it was Ipswich who wanted it introduced was Matt Ford, who was there as a guest speaker.

 

The same thing was also said at the Wolves forum by Chris Van Straaten. Colin Pratt I believe was also present and had some words on the subject too as I remember.

[Grand Central]

Ian Thomas told me the story who I knew very well from working with his lad, he wasn't one for making things up, who told you?

 

You are to be commended on your droll sense of humour.

[BWitcher]

 

And did they say that 'the person' said at Ipswich that it was less effective as well, lol!

 

Well, as you don't even know what the Tactical ride rules were when they were introduced you're hardly one to argue the point.

 

Revisit your post, when you've corrected it, come back and we'll discuss.

Edited May 27, 2016 by BWitcher

[Gresham]

 

 

What happens in other sports doesn’t make a bit of difference to the number of away wins that happen in speedway or change the definition of the word rarely, it simply isn’t the case that “the away team rarely wins” it’s just a complete throw out line with no supporting evidence.

There is data, if you google it, showing 10 years of football percentages, taken between the leagues. Over the 10 years, it ranged approx. from 25 -32% away wins.

 

Does Speedway have a stat where over a season, teams won between 25-32% of their away meetings?

 

If you are interested enough, I'm sure you could troll through different sports, league tables, to see how it compares with Speedway over a season.

[sparkafag]

There is data, if you google it, showing 10 years of football percentages, taken between the leagues. Over the 10 years, it ranged approx. from 25 -32% away wins.

 

Does Speedway have a stat where over a season, teams won between 25-32% of their away meetings?

 

If you are interested enough, I'm sure you could troll through different sports, league tables, to see how it compares with Speedway over a season.

 

 

Nah I am not interested, I already know teams win meetings away from home in speedway it isn't rare for that to happen what happens on a football pitch doesn't change that, football would be a really odd sport to use as a comparison as well.

 

Can stick this one in Room 101 along with race jackets are easier to identify than suits and concrete starting grids

Edited May 27, 2016 by The Mockingjay

[BWitcher]

Typical, instead of answering the point reverts to posting vague trolling riddles

 

Not a vague trolling post.

 

You don't even know what the original tactical ride rules were, as from your first post on the subject.

 

The point has been answered, both by myself and Grachan.

[Gresham]

 

 

Nah I am not interested, I already know teams win meetings away from home in speedway it isn't rare for that to happen what happens on a football pitch doesn't change that, football would be a really odd sport to use as a comparison as well.

 

Can stick this one in Room 101 along with race jackets are easier to identify than suits and concrete starting grids

In your opinion...plus I didn't think you would be interested though...as it would disprove your point.

 

You asked for facts...they are there...it's not a throw away comment as you suggested.

 

Over a season...Speedway teams are less likely to win away from home, compared to many other sports.

 

In fact football broke the record this season and it went up to 35% away wins...a trend that's continuing.

 

Don't let facts get in the way of your agenda though...as you were :-)

[BWitcher]

It wasn't less effective was it?

 

It could be used twice and when only 8 behind and there was the 15m as well.

 

 

 

The above is incorrect with regards to the tactical ride rules when they were introduced.

[sparkafag]

In your opinion...plus I didn't think you would be interested though...as it would disprove your point.

 

You asked for facts...they are there...it's not a throw away comment as you suggested.

 

Over a season...Speedway teams are less likely to win away from home, compared to many other sports.

 

In fact football broke the record this season and it went up to 35% away wins...a trend that's continuing.

 

Don't let facts get in the way of your agenda though...as you were :-)

 

 

Yeah, football is just like speedway, it is practically the same sport if you really think about it.

 

Your grievance on this occasion isn’t with me, it is with your own use and understanding of the English language “the away teams rarely wins away in Speedway” the key words there are SPEEDWAY and RARELY, what happens on a football pitch makes zero difference to that statement, not one single iota.

 

Rarely means the following – not often, seldom.

 

Thus far this season, and this is just from memory but Belle Vue, Lakeside, Swindon, Wolverhampton, Kings Lynn, Berwick, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Sheffield, Somerset, Peterborough, Newcastle, Workington, Ipswich and Scunthorpe have all either drawn or won at least once on the road

 

Thus far this season Belle Vue, Coventry, Leicester, Poole, Berwick, Edinburgh, Sheffield, Peterborough, Redcar, Ipswich and Scunthorpe have either lost or dropped points at home thus showing other teams win at their track.

 

This is before even considering the NL.

 

That isn’t “rare” this season away wins happen, maybe if your statement wasn’t as hyperbolic and sweeping there might have been some validity to it, but even then home defeats have already happened often – frequently, many times, this season.

Edited May 27, 2016 by The Mockingjay

[arnieg]

http://www.sbnation.com/2011/1/19/1940438/home-field-advantage-sports-stats-data

 

So that means:

 

• basketball 55% home wins
• baseball 53% home wins
• american football 53% home wins
• ice hockey 53% home wins

 

2015 British speedway league matches 256 home wins out of 358 matches or 72% (the three leagues produced almost identical percentages)

 

28% away wins (or draws) is enough to justify the statement that away wins are not rare

 

However the comparison with other sports does suggest that home advantage is substantially greater than in most other sports.

 

Note there have been eras when the percentage of home wins was markedly different from last season, e.g. In 1968 88% of matches in the British League Division One were home wins.

[Dekker]

ENCOURAGING comments by BSPA Chairman Buster Chapman in this week's Speedway Star about basically tearing up the rulebook and starting again. Someone is seeing the light.

 

fox in charge of the hen house

[Daniel Smith]

So that's the third time you've said it without explaining why? Only a troll would keep it up for so long.

 

I relied on this if its wrong its wrong but the replacement for the old tac sub was more effective.

 

 

What racer X has there is correct.

 

It was then altered to the 1st TR at 8 or more points down, 2nd TR at 10 or more points down

[The White Knight]

 

What racer X has there is correct.

 

It was then altered to the 1st TR at 8 or more points down, 2nd TR at 10 or more points down

Which totally destroyed Speedway's credibility in my eyes.

[BWitcher]

So that's the third time you've said it without explaining why? Only a troll would keep it up for so long.

 

I relied on this if its wrong its wrong but the replacement for the old tac sub was more effective.

 

 

Not trolling DAC.

 

Just wrong on my part

 

I honestly had completely forgotten it was initially set at 8pts, you are correct.

[steve roberts]

John Berry was undoubtedly a great thinker about how the sport could be run, and was of course a successful promoter as well. However, I suspect his tenure in that sort of job would not have lasted long as he was obviously an abrasive character who didn't tolerate fools gladly, and would likely have alienated a significant number of people who needed to be onside. An independent commissioner needs to be wise, tough and fair, but they also need to be diplomatic if the job is going be held at the pleasure of the promoters (which ultimately it has to be).

Agree that John could be abrasive but, boy, he would have shaken things up somewhat!

[Trees]

Thank you very much for that Danny.

 

If he get's rid of that stupid Rule - I will return to Newcastle Speedway like a shot.

 

As long as the Rule is in place - I will not.

 

I am now hopeful.................

 

I await developments with interest.

I wouldn't wait if I was you, live each day as if it is your last! I keep away from the GPS cos it pees me off that BSI are involved but I am fully aware I am cutting off my nose to spite my face 😠

Which totally destroyed Speedway's credibility in my eyes.

So it's not about those four guys on their bikes anymore, you will regret missing meetings, we never know what is round the corner ....

[The White Knight]

I wouldn't wait if I was you, live each day as if it is your last! I keep away from the GPS cos it pees me off that BSI are involved but I am fully aware I am cutting off my nose to spite my face

So it's not about those four guys on their bikes anymore, you will regret missing meetings, we never know what is round the corner ....

In my case - a nice warm fire as I go up the chimney.................

[SCB]

WHERE have you been these past few weeks?

 

It doesn't matter how many times it has been said before. Give the guy a chance to actually try and turn over a new leaf. He did go into detail about several things that are wrong and there is any chance for fans to voice their views at Belle Vue shortly.

Give him a chance? I gave him one. He's failed, a few times.

 

Like how, when the rules state Carl Wilkinson should be in the 1-5 has he ridden in reserve for the last 2 meetings? And then that means Busk-Jakobsen rides in reserve so Kai Huckenbeck cannot replace him as he can only replace a 1-5 rider. Ive asked on here, I've tweeted the BSPA and Kings Lynn and nobody has the decency to respond.

 

Don't the BSPA "get" twitter? It's not liek the regular press where all comms is one way, twitter you have discussion. If I tweet BT or Sky I'll get a response. Tweet the BSPa or the BSPA chairmans club and I'm point blank ignored. Despite his promise of "transparency".