Fortythirtyeight Posted August 4, 2021 Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) On 8/3/2021 at 6:51 PM, mikebv said: Or let the landlord then rent out the Speedway track to someone else...? If any track pays 52 weeks rent for 20 weeks or so use they must be crackers.. Especially in this current climate.. Read the full context of the posts !….the suggestion was to just run 10 meetings a season, which would never work for those clubs paying rent and on a lease. Edited August 4, 2021 by Fortythirtyeight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted August 4, 2021 Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 On 8/3/2021 at 7:43 PM, wealdstone said: Seen the sidecars .Can only say boring, boring . boring I agree. I struggle to see who they appeal to. I see them more as light cars than motorbikes but my car racing fan mates think the opposite hence they fall between 2 stools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman72 Posted August 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 How can you say that 1000cc Sidecars at full throttle on the Grass are a wonderful exciting spectacle. Obviously you haven't been to a Grasstrack. With so many riders and so few tracks it's such a pity the promoters go elsewhere for riders. Have Speedway fans become complacent and brainwashed into accepting the model of Speedway served up by the BSPL. Reading the posts on here seems to give a naive acceptance that promoter knows best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted August 4, 2021 Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Pieman72 said: How can you say that 1000cc Sidecars at full throttle on the Grass are a wonderful exciting spectacle. Obviously you haven't been to a Grasstrack. With so many riders and so few tracks it's such a pity the promoters go elsewhere for riders. Have Speedway fans become complacent and brainwashed into accepting the model of Speedway served up by the BSPL. Reading the posts on here seems to give a naive acceptance that promoter knows best. I've been to countless grasstracks, the first in 1972. I even competed in a few on my JAP in the 90's. Despite this, I never did and still don't get excited by the sidecars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman72 Posted August 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 55 minutes ago, Sotonian said: I've been to countless grasstracks, the first in 1972. I even competed in a few on my JAP in the 90's. Despite this, I never did and still don't get excited by the sidecars. Sorry there are so many on here who knowv nothing about the bikes. Oh the JAP wonderful sounding engine I remember Egon Muller on his. How did such a 'stone-age' engine last so long or was the simplicity it's winning formula? I've seen a 4 valve version of it. I can see your point about the Chairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHarris Posted August 4, 2021 Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 I've never been to a Grasstrack meeting and probably never will. There's no way I could put myself through that horrendous torture - Not with my hayfever anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 4, 2021 Report Share Posted August 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Most of those that don’t own their own stadium as that’s how they retain the right to run at the stadium, it would be simpler to ask ‘ who owns their own stadium ‘ ? The answer is ….very few ! Who and what are they going to run on a speedway track in the winter and if stock car people want to run it is compatible to share the facilities with speedway Promotions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 23 hours ago, mikebv said: ?? Their largest outgoing is employee wages... They are one million percent in charge of that.. A substantial four figure£ stadium rental for every meeting, no matter what standard/level of racing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: A substantial four figure£ stadium rental for every meeting, no matter what standard/level of racing!! Paying 14 riders for 60 races of Speedway will still be considerably more (and by some fair old margin I would suggest)... Therefore, your largest cost will always provide you with your largest cost saving in £s (but can actually be just a small % reduction in reality)... I pay out £22k a week in wages, so if I hit my budget sales I am fine as profit is budgeted for me to spend £22.5k a week.. If my sales drop 10% because my customer numbers dont hit the budgeted sales, which are forecasted in advance, I have to drop my payroll spend accordingly.. If I didnt, and carried on laying out more than I could afford, I ulltimately wouldnt have any profit to reinvest and more than likely go bust as the inevitable outcome.. And not all clubs have to pay any rent at all dont forget, AND get to keep bar, car park and food money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 Just now, mikebv said: And not all clubs have to pay any rent at all dont forget, AND get to keep bar, car park and food money... They'll also have the upkeep of the stadium - all year round whether they have any racing or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said: They'll also have the upkeep of the stadium - all year round whether they have any racing or not. True, but they also then get to either put on events themselves, or rent it to other people to run their own events eg Stox, Speedway training days etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 58 minutes ago, mikebv said: True, but they also then get to either put on events themselves, or rent it to other people to run their own events eg Stox, Speedway training days etc.. I am staggered that more clubs dont run chargeable practice days. They are 100% cash cow. There have been plenty of occasions where tracks have been hired and sub let in the past but it could be utilised so much more. Riders of all standards are crying out for track and happy(ish) to pay for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: I am staggered that more clubs dont run chargeable practice days. Planning permission reasons? Maybe they're only allowed a certain number of noisy days per week or per year, and limited to certain times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 18 hours ago, Fromafar said: Who and what are they going to run on a speedway track in the winter and if stock car people want to run it is compatible to share the facilities with speedway Promotions. You need to take into account the details of the lease on the stadium. Most will specify exactly what can be done and when and you won’t be allowed to run just whatever sport you want whenever it suits you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: You need to take into account the details of the lease on the stadium. Most will specify exactly what can be done and when and you won’t be allowed to run just whatever sport you want whenever it suits you, I still don’t think Speedway Promoters pay for a12 month lease though.Who runs what in the winter months doesn’t come into it.!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 35 minutes ago, Fromafar said: I still don’t think Speedway Promoters pay for a12 month lease though.Who runs what in the winter months doesn’t come into it.!!! To quote one who do….Redcar as it’s council owned and all others which are similarly owned, and there are at least 5 others who do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 37 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: To quote one who do….Redcar as it’s council owned and all others which are similarly owned, and there are at least 5 others who do That’s fair enough but at Redcar the price they pay for a12 month lease will be based on the fact that they run a lot of Training days and Amateur Meetings.Most other tracks dont have any winter activity.I’m sure the lease price will reflect that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 20 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: Planning permission reasons? Maybe they're only allowed a certain number of noisy days per week or per year, and limited to certain times. I often hear the bikes going around Leicester during the daytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 At Poole we can't run anything before 3 pm on school days due to the stadium being next to a school and speedway needing to use their car park as 'overflow'. The costs of running training schools or even stand-alone NDL fixtures would need to cover a substantial £four figure cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 20 hours ago, Fromafar said: That’s fair enough but at Redcar the price they pay for a12 month lease will be based on the fact that they run a lot of Training days and Amateur Meetings.Most other tracks dont have any winter activity.I’m sure the lease price will reflect that fact. What ? So if they did nothing the rent would be less ??? Don’t be daft ! The council base the rent price on the facility, not what the tenant does with it . Same goes for the moto x track, the m/cycle training school, the stunt school and the motorsports track . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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