Coventry Bees V Belle Vue Aces 27/05/2016

[Woz01]

It ws very harsh to exclude Woryna as he was just trying to avoid Garrity as his bike slowed.

And then he came to his senses!

 

As for the 0-5 sounds like it was totally Garrity's fault rather than bad luck!

This is one of them quotes where you had to be there not make assumptions of an incident.

Edited May 28, 2016 by woz01

[CUFC_Brummie]

Really good meeting last night, thoroughly enjoyable. Couple of cracking rides from King and Garrity, and Harris thrilling as he ever is around Brandon. Fricke by far BV's best rider though Roberts Worrall rode well too I thought. Zagar started well but then seemed to lose his speed completely, not surprised he didn't ride in heat 15, and Cook just epitomised "gating tart" last night.

 

Good advert for the Elite League.

[mdmc82]

And then he came to his senses!

 

As for the 0-5 sounds like it was totally Garrity's fault rather than bad luck!

Garrity's chain came off the bike so the whole bike seized which made Woryna have to avoid him. Only Jason should have been excluded but ref excluded both which turned a 3-3 into a 0-5. Jason was also unlucky when beating Fricke in heat 1 before his engine blew.

Garrity was amazing in next 2 rides after sorting his bike and left Nicholls, Cook and the Worrall brothers trailing.

 

Good to see him coping so well in the top 5 😉

Edited May 28, 2016 by mdmc82

[mikec]

Enjoyed my trip to Brandon last night, got to admit that when I saw that Branford was guesting for Bates, I couldn't see anything other than an Aces win. However, it was a really spirited team effort from the under-strength Bees, led brilliantly by Chris Harris, great to see him in that sort of form. Thought the heat where Sargeant pinched 2nd place off Steve Worrall + Jason Garrity's last two rides in particular epitomised Coventry's determination to get something from the match - & continue the Bees outstanding record against the Aces in recent times.

 

The Aces didn't have enough riders firing on all cylinders. Max Fricke's excellent form continues & Richie Worrall did his job. However after two paid wins, Zagar couldn't get anywhere near Harris. Craig Cook was a bit up & down, though rode a storming heat 13 to just about keep Harris at bay. The Aces heroes from Monday night at Wimborne Road, Nicholls & Steve Worrall, weren't at their best, with Nicholls in particular looking relatively slow all night.

 

Overall a decent match in front of a healthy looking crowd on a lovely sunny evening. Hope the campaign to save the Bees gathers pace & the Bees are on track in 2017 & beyond - good luck to all involved!

[waiheke1]

In 6 of 8 meetings at home kk has scored double figures, admittedly one would have been 9 without a trip ride. I'm an aces fan, but agree bees were weakened

People complaining about woryna being excluded, pretty sure you can't be excluded for dangerous riding against your own team mate.

Aces loSt 6 pts to ef, but if that crash was caused by garritys chain that cost bees 5 points, and the lost two in the first heat I believe due to garritys engine issues.

Any aces fans know why zagar wasn't in 15 and why Jacobs got rides?

[foreverblue]

You were saying? Five points, which would have been four if Nicholls hadn't packed in. Almost as bad a guest as Hans Andersen.

Anyway, good match, good crowd, good atmosphere and good music. Thank you.

But apparently according to Fred Flange the weaker argument was shot down as if KK would have scored 5 or less!!

[waiheke1]

OK I misounted the home meetings, and i included the el shield, but surely the point is kk averaged a lot more at Brandon this season than Freddie scored last night. And clearly the loss of bates weakened them, even if he was only likely to score a couple of points in the main body of the team.

[mdmc82]

What probably makes the moaning even more vacuous is Lindgren more or less matched half of KKs home scores anyway, despite a fall

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I'm confused as you keep stating this but I'm not sure where you are getting that KK has scored 5 or less in 50% of his home meetings?

 

His scores this year at Brandon so far:

 

Poole 13 (3,3,3,3,1)

Leicester 10 (3,2*,2,3)

Wolves. 4. (3,1,R,R)

Poole. 5. (0,3,2*,0)

Swindon. 11 (1,4,3,3)

Wolves. 14 (3,3,3,3,2)

Lakeside. 11 (2,3,1,3,2)

 

And that has been riding at no 1. Freddie has rode at Brandon as a 2nd string for Wolves so was mainly against reserves & 2nd strings.

 

Next you will be saying Branford replacing Bates made us stronger 😂

In 6 of 8 meetings at home kk has scored double figures, admittedly one would have been 9 without a trip ride. I'm an aces fan, but agree bees were weakened

People complaining about woryna being excluded, pretty sure you can't be excluded for dangerous riding against your own team mate.

Aces loSt 6 pts to ef, but if that crash was caused by garritys chain that cost bees 5 points, and the lost two in the first heat I believe due to garritys engine issues.

Any aces fans know why zagar wasn't in 15 and why Jacobs got rides?

Very good post 👍🏻

I assume Cook & Fricke were in the last heat as they had been gating well & looked fast.

I was surprised to see Jacobs get 4 rides.

I think Belle Vue look strong this year. It should be a convincing home win for you on Monday.

Edited May 28, 2016 by mdmc82

[waiheke1]

I'm confused as you keep stating this but I'm not sure where you are getting that KK has scored 5 or less in 50% of his home meetings?

 

His scores this year at Brandon so far:

 

Poole 13 (3,3,3,3,1)

Leicester 10 (3,2*,2,3)

Wolves. 4. (3,1,R,R)

Poole. 5. (0,3,2*,0)

Swindon. 11 (1,4,3,3)

Wolves. 14 (3,3,3,3,2)

Lakeside. 11 (2,3,1,3,2)

 

And that has been riding at no 1, not as a 2nd string

He is excluding the El shield, the swindle meeting kk scored 6 from his scheduled rides, excluding double points and the extra heat 15 ride. And saying that 6 is no better than 5+1.

Either way, if kk scores double figures half the time and 5 on the other occassions, a guest scoring 5 is worse than you would expect kk to score.

[stevebrum]

Remind me where Freddie finished in the world champs last year...

 

remind me just how well KK did in the GP's last year. Top 2 my bottom.

 

Thankfully lingren more or less matched 50% of kks home scores so the 'we are weaker' arguments were shot down.

 

Plus in all official fixtures (10) KK has scored double figures in 6 of them.

So that's a 40% single figure score rate.

Freddie did no better or worse than a possible KK score but you gotta love some of the Bees fans for ignoring the glaring obvious when it comes to what KK might score. 14 or 4. Freddie wasn't as poor as a 4 point score , now that IS poor.

[foreverblue]

EL programmed rides, 4v Wolves, 5v Poole and 6v Swindon, that's half the EL home meetings. lindgren scored 5 from his programmed rides which in my book is about the same as half of KKs home meetings, which is what I said.

 

I obviously didn't say he would score 5 or less, why are you making things up? If you are going to credit me with posting something at least don't lie about what I posted.

You said they were not weaker without KK therefore you inferred he would score 5 or less

[CB252]

gormless puerile moaning.

Pot and kettle. You're possibly the most boring poster to ever grace the BSF.

[Woz01]

How anybody can suggest that Lindgren scoring 5 didnt weaken the Bees is truly baffling. KK averages around 8 at home. Also missing Bates which weakened us further.

[mdmc82]

How anybody can suggest that Lindgren scoring 5 didnt weaken the Bees is truly baffling. KK averages around 8 at home. Also missing Bates which weakened us further.

Best bit is one of the 2 posters suggesting it doesn't support either team 😂

Just part of the Lindgren fan club. I wonder if he will still be singing Freddie's praises if he rides as poorly for Wolves.

 

RR would have been better than Lindgren as all our own riders out scored him and were faster.

Edited May 28, 2016 by mdmc82

[Gemini]

 

This is one of them quotes where you had to be there not make assumptions of an incident.

But you should know by now that Lisa likes to have a dig at anything involving the Bees whether she was there or not.

 

I think you'll find Lindgren averaged more around Brandon this season than he scored last night, in fact I think he averages more around Brandon this season than KK!

 

Maybe, but that was when riding for Wolverhampton.

 

 

Freddie wasn't as poor as a 4 point score , now that IS poor.

I'm glad you agree it IS poor and that's the score he would have got if Scott hadn't packed in and handed him the 2 points instead of 1 in heat 7.

[BANANAMAN]

woz01, on 28 May 2016 - 08:31 AM, said:

It ws very harsh to exclude Woryna as he was just trying to avoid Garrity as his bike slowed.

 

This is one of them quotes where you had to be there not make assumptions of an incident.

 

Bad luck for The Aces but a point never the less so that's more points on the road than any other team currently. Hopefully the luck will come back one day.

Decent result for both teams, as I've said before I'd rather lose to the bees and have them here than the unthinkable alternative.

Should be close on Monday with KK loving it.

I was at Brandon last night & it was a very entertaining evening from start to finish . I though the track was well prepared , a excellent turn out of Aces supporters which added to a good atmosphere . The crowd was a very decent size compared to other tracks I have visited this season . I can honestly hand on heart tell anyone who reads this there is not a lot wrong with our sport on the track ...IF ONLY THE OFF TRACK POLITICS & BO***CKs was made more simple & transparent

[stevebrum]

I'm glad you agree it IS poor and that's the score he would have got if Scott hadn't packed in and handed him the 2 points instead of 1 in heat 7.

 

And if he hadn't of fallen in heat 1 he still would have 5 points.

I point more than 4 point Krzys.

Like I said all along. A like for like replacement at worst!

[Gemini]

And if he hadn't of fallen in heat 1 he still would have 5 points.

 

And where was he when he fell off on bend 3 on the first lap? I'll give you a clue ~ Belle Vue were on a 5-1 at the time.

[mdmc82]

 

I was at Brandon last night & it was a very entertaining evening from start to finish . I though the track was well prepared , a excellent turn out of Aces supporters which added to a good atmosphere . The crowd was a very decent size compared to other tracks I have visited this season . I can honestly hand on heart tell anyone who reads this there is not a lot wrong with our sport on the track ...IF ONLY THE OFF TRACK POLITICS & BO***CKs was made more simple & transparent

Top post 👍🏻

 

What I liked last night was that there was no cheating or dirty riding, just two teams giving it their all on track. Good banter at the track between born set of fans. A good advert for speedway with some fast races times.

 

What was even better to see was from 14 riders, 10 of them were British! 🇬🇧 You don't see that enough. It was refreshing to see races with 4 Brits at the tapes.

Edited May 28, 2016 by mdmc82

[waiheke1]

 

 

remind me just how well KK did in the GP's last year. Top 2 my bottom.

 

 

Plus in all official fixtures (10) KK has scored double figures in 6 of them.

So that's a 40% single figure score rate.

Freddie did no better or worse than a possible KK score but you gotta love some of the Bees fans for ignoring the glaring obvious when it comes to what KK might score. 14 or 4. Freddie wasn't as poor as a 4 point score , now that IS poor.

Really odd post. Where did I say or imply kk finished top 2 last season? Just pointing out that Lindgren hadn't even qualified. Kk was rubbish last year, statistically probably not even in the top 100 in the world, but not sure how that is relevant to this season?

 

Secondly, only the very top riders have averaged 8 riding as a hl in this heat format. So a rider scoring double figures as a number one in over 50% of meetings is actually doing a good job. Not sure why you see kks scores as something to be knocked.