ouch Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Sorry forgot to mention that out of all Wolves matches (8) Freddie has ridden three in the number four race jacket. It certainly helped bolster his average when two of those were away against the bees. Out of ten rides he only dropped one point to a bees rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 On both Lindgren's visits to Brandon this year he has been a 2nd string so hardly strengthens us. Hoping he can score well in the tougher no 1 position for us. He's been in good form so far although struggled today in the SEC challenger whilst KK won it. Â In two meetings at Brandon, Freddie has dropped just 1 point to Kasprzak (when he gated obviously), beating all of the Coventry riders along the way. Last Saturday at Leicester in heat 1 he broke the track record. So I would say you've got a very reasonable guest indeed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Josh Bates has dislocated his shoulder riding for Sheffield tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenMiller Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) Lindgren surely won't score as poorly as when he guested for us last season, could be a shrewd choice. Edited May 26, 2016 by Osirian08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Like for like at best but a decent guest all the same. Â not on current form. Â On both Lindgren's visits to Brandon this year he has been a 2nd string so hardly strengthens us. Hoping he can score well in the tougher no 1 position for us. He's been in good form so far although struggled today in the SEC challenger whilst KK won it. Â Freddie is a point clearer in this season's real averages. Â KK Home 8.63 Away 7.71. Overall 8.35 FL Home 9.71. Away 9.76. Overall 9.74 Source. Speedway Star May 28, 2016 You beat me to the stats. Confirms Lindgren the better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Â Â not on current form. Â Â Â Freddie is a point clearer in this season's real averages. Â Â You beat me to the stats. Confirms Lindgren the better option. Last season I worked out that the average rider who rode as a heat leader and a second string did about 18% better as a second string than as a heatleader. So if you take KK and Freddies averages and allow an 18% weighting there nothing between them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Last season I worked out that the average rider who rode as a heat leader and a second string did about 18% better as a second string than as a heatleader. So if you take KK and Freddies averages and allow an 18% weighting there nothing between them KK didn't ride EL last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 KK didn't ride EL last season. But they both have this season, which is the one that matters. Â Up to the 10th of this month, weighted to allow for being a second string in some meetings I make Freddies non-bonus average from all meetings this season to be 7.75 and KKs to be 8.22 so actually, KK is better! According to scb had all lingrens meetings been 2nd st he is equal to kk so clearly scb's post must mean kk isn't as good as lingren. Do you think I'd go to the trouble to work out weighted averages to then not take into account which meetings should and should not be weighted?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Josh Bates has dislocated his shoulder riding for Sheffield tonight While others fight it out to see if Lindgren is a good guest for KK or not this seems to have been overlooked. Can Adam Roynon ride for Bates? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 But they both have this season, which is the one that matters. Â Up to the 10th of this month, weighted to allow for being a second string in some meetings I make Freddies non-bonus average from all meetings this season to be 7.75 and KKs to be 8.22 so actually, KK is better! Â And in other news Freddie is a point higher according to speedway Star, so KK is worse ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) While others fight it out to see if Lindgren is a good guest for KK or not this seems to have been overlooked. Can Adam Roynon ride for Bates?Roynon is already riding for Workington tonight 😕 As for the Kaspazak debate, I guess we will see tonight by now much Lindgren scores.  Apart from 2 meetings (one of which was straight after a close family members funeral) KK has scored double figures at home  13,10,11,14,11 If Lindgren can score close to this then that will be job done. Edited May 27, 2016 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 And in other news Freddie is a point higher according to speedway Star, so KK is worse ! Are you a halfwit? You do understand that riders that ride in second string and reserve positions have inflated averages don't you? Â Kyle Newman has a better average than Chris Harris in the speedway star, but he wouldn't be a very good guest for him riding at number 5 would he? Â I understand you despise KK, but most people have conceded that Lindgren is a more than adequate guest in this instance, however looking at straight stats from this season alone isn't a good guide. Â Kk has done fine this year. If Lindgren fails to score at least 11, he won't have done an adequate job covering. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Freddie had ridden just three matches at number four and in each one he has ridden in heat fifteen, a hard race. Due to this small amount of fixtures, he has ridden a small percentage of "easier" heats than KK and nowhere near enough to account for his higher average. Comparing Newman and Harris to KK and Freddie shows a massive misunderstanding of the situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenMiller Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Any update on Josh Bates after his accident while riding for Sheffield last night ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 confirmed out  http://www.coventrybees.co/news.php?extend.3587  Young Leigh Lanham or Simon Lambert look like the best options 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Are you a halfwit? You do understand that riders that ride in second string and reserve positions have inflated averages don't you? Kyle Newman has a better average than Chris Harris in the speedway star, but he wouldn't be a very good guest for him riding at number 5 would he? I understand you despise KK, but most people have conceded that Lindgren is a more than adequate guest in this instance, however looking at straight stats from this season alone isn't a good guide. Kk has done fine this year. If Lindgren fails to score at least 11, he won't have done an adequate job covering. You do understand that Freddie has ridden as a heat leader in more meetings than second string, beating most heat leaders when he has met them? Whatever Freddie scores will be equal to what KK might because as you know he will either score 14 or 4. A standard KK performance. Out of the ten official fixtures the bees have raced he has been in double figures 6 times. so 4 times below double figures. But well done for making a personal attack to prove a point. You must feel very proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Robert Branford guests for Josh Bates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Tbh only matters what their average is at Coventry as that is where Freddie will be riding! Did alright guesting for Holder there and that was when Holder was riding at 1 (I think!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 10.13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Robert Branford guests for Josh Bates Def weakens us esp in top 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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