Star Lady Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Following last nights Sky match little has been said about Cook being excluded for "delaying the start" twice. What concerns me is that it appears no one apart from those in the refs box knew he had been warned after the first attempted start. Not only is that ridiculous from the point of view of the rider, why warn him if he isn't told about it (i.e. he isn't actually warned), his manager, the person who might just tell him to be a bit more careful second time around is also unaware. What kind of sport are we watching here! The biggest concern is the lack of info for the crowd (you know the ones, they pay to get in). They have a right to know, not as much as the rider maybe but they still should know. Every other sport I can think of makes it very clear to spectators that a participant has been warned (Tennis, Footie, Rugby etc). Folk often moan that there is no atmosphere at speedway well here's one small way to inject some, Make sure warnings are loud and clear and let the fans react. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenspoon Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 What is even worse is that the rider does not have the option of a 15yard handicap, or the team putting in a reserve rider. If you go through the tapes it amounts to just as much a delay, as in the eyes of the ref a false start, as the tapes have to be replaced. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 It was my understanding that messages are conveyed by radio and via the start marshall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 That may be the case but it doesn't appear to have worked last night and doesn't tell the PAYING public. last night it appears that the only people in the stadium who knew of the warning were in the refs box. That's not acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Having not watched the meeting on tv, and not going to suffering it, I would say to us in the stand, that Cook deserved to be booted out of the heat. It was clear that on the first attempt he was moving and everyone in the grandstand noticed it. So did the ref. He then did exactly the same thing the second time. Easy to look at slow mo replays on tv and for it to look ok but in real time he moved on both occassions and everyone in the grandstand reacted both times. Only time it happened in the meeting. He was still in his other rides. IMO and most in the grandstand, the ref got it right. Excluded for delaying the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) They announce it on the tannoy at Coventry if a rider gets a warning. Edited May 24, 2016 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Blue glasses again. Anderson also moved. And your eyesight is better than slo-mo's from all angles? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) Having not watched the meeting on tv, and not going to suffering it, I would say to us in the stand, that Cook deserved to be booted out of the heat. It was clear that on the first attempt he was moving and everyone in the grandstand noticed it. So did the ref. He then did exactly the same thing the second time. Easy to look at slow mo replays on tv and for it to look ok but in real time he moved on both occassions and everyone in the grandstand reacted both times. Only time it happened in the meeting. He was still in his other rides. IMO and most in the grandstand, the ref got it right. Excluded for delaying the start. So Steve you sat in the stand were you aware that Cook had been warned after the first start and if you were how were you informed. It's one thing fans thinking a rider has moved but quite another for a rider to get a warning which if repeated could have a massive impact on the result of a match given no replacement is allowed, not that it affected last nights result. It's said that start marshals tell the rider, it would cost about a tenner to provide a card (like the joker in SWC) that the start Marshall or his assistant could show both the rider and the crowd Edited May 24, 2016 by Star Lady 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) Having not watched the meeting on tv, and not going to suffering it, I would say to us in the stand, that Cook deserved to be booted out of the heat. It was clear that on the first attempt he was moving and everyone in the grandstand noticed it. So did the ref. He then did exactly the same thing the second time. Easy to look at slow mo replays on tv and for it to look ok but in real time he moved on both occassions and everyone in the grandstand reacted both times. Only time it happened in the meeting. He was still in his other rides. IMO and most in the grandstand, the ref got it right. Excluded for delaying the start. stop talking out of your backside. The whole thread is full of people who watched it on the tv and watched the replays that Sky musy have showed a dozen times. In the first attempt Cook DID NOT move. It was a perfect start , but then again you are so biased towards your own team its laughable. Try reading the thread , try watching the replays because quite simply you are making yourself look silly by saying that Cook should have been excluded. You think that being there its easier to judge than seeing lots of replays?? Your eyesight must be amazing!! The second time he jumped spot on. The first time he didnt. I suggest to save yourself from embarrassment and other people putting you straight that you watch the video Edited May 24, 2016 by Gavan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 stop talking out of your backside. The whole thread is full of people who watched it on the tv and watched the replays that Sky musy have showed a dozen times. In the first attempt Cook DID NOT move. It was a perfect start , but then again you are so biased towards your own team its laughable. Try reading the thread , try watching the replays because quite simply you are making yourself look silly by saying that Cook should have been excluded. You think that being there its easier to judge than seeing lots of replays?? Your eyesight must be amazing!! The second time he jumped spot on. The first time he didnt. I suggest to save yourself from embarrassment and other people putting you straight that you watch the video Cook did move on both occasions. The ref, like us at home, had the benefit of the slow motion replay and he was moving on both occasions. Just because he only moved slightly before the tapes on the first start doesn't mean he wasn't moving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Give the starting marshall red and yellow cards. Yellow card for Cook - cheers from the crowd. Good fun, and no doubt about the situation. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Give the starting marshall red and yellow cards. Yellow card for Cook - cheers from the crowd. Good fun, and no doubt about the situation. Precisely. So simple and cheap it will never be adopted. BTW folks this thread is about warnings not whether a rider did or did not move, there's a match thread for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Thought Cooks first Start was exceptional and it just goes to show again that they need to have a look at the rules and technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 At Ipswich they have a "warning" board that's held up in front of the offending rider and big enough for everyone to see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Thought Cooks first Start was exceptional and it just goes to show again that they need to have a look at the rules and technology. It was a great start.....................unless you had the miraculous vision of the grandstand who in a split second all determined he jumped. Guess its easier to the naked eye than watching loads of replays!! Belle Vue deserved winners after Cooks exclusion and Bjarne being so injured after sliding off at 2mph and staying down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) It was my understanding that messages are conveyed by radio and via the start marshall? And at many tracks a board with the warning on is shown to the rider, in case he doesn't hear a verbal warning. This is in full view of the fans so everyone knows about it. NB Just seen Alan Jones previous post on this. It was a great start.....................unless you had the miraculous vision of the grandstand who in a split second all determined he jumped. Guess its easier to the naked eye than watching loads of replays!! Belle Vue deserved winners after Cooks exclusion and Bjarne being so injured after sliding off at 2mph and staying down. It's a Poole thread and of course Gavan has to be leading the criticism from the front with stupid comments. But you haven't anything personal against Poole have you. Edited May 24, 2016 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 And at many tracks a board with the warning on is shown to the rider, in case he doesn't hear a verbal warning. This is in full view of the fans so everyone knows about it. NB Just seen Alan Jones previous post on this. So why don't all tracks do it. It's only a minor issue but so simple and cheap to put right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Surely Ref Jim Lawrence will have reminded (warned) all riders before the meeting that if they were adjudged to have been the cause of a heat being called back twice - then they would be d/q'd?! Usually its quite clear for the fans when the Start Marshall has a word with the rider after the first stoppage. While on the subject of warnings, I thought riders were not allowed back to the pit gate for any 'tweaking', after a false start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 What is even worse is that the rider does not have the option of a 15yard handicap, or the team putting in a reserve rider. If you go through the tapes it amounts to just as much a delay, as in the eyes of the ref a false start, as the tapes have to be replaced. They do have the option, people just don't know how to read the rulebook so no reserve was used. Amazing really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 It's a Poole thread and of course Gavan has to be leading the criticism from the front with stupid comments. But you haven't anything personal against Poole have you. Lol! Thing is no one bothers to listen to him as its the same anti Poole drivel every post. Did you really expect him to say anything different? His hatred coulds his judgment and now he is joined by drop a cog or Fred Flange or whatever he now wants to call himself. They do have the option, people just don't know how to read the rulebook so no reserve was used. Amazing really! It wasnt a tape infringement so no reserve could be used. It was for delaying the start. If Cook Didnt jump, why did half the grandstand yell out and the ref call it back twice? No amount of slow mo replays will disprove what the naked eye saw in real time. All slow mo will do it take away what happened in that split second. Agree there should be yellow and red cards. That would be good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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