TheScotsman Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I don't know how the comments were scathing or unprofessional either. In my opinion, and I think that of all the Ippo supporters around me, King missed the start, saw Edinburgh were going to get a 5-1, so baled out in the hope of a restart. Certainly no-one seemed to think anyone touched him. And in the rerun he got the most blatant flier I have seen in a while. Certainly the other 3 riders didn't seem to make a big effort getting to the first turn, presumably all expecting a restart. And yes Max Clegg did get away with a couple of dodgy starts in the rerun of heat 2, but remember he was ahead in the original running when it was stopped on lap 3. A rerun was called when it could so easily have been awarded. And Dan Bewley being excluded in that first running seemed exceedingly soft. And we were also on a 5-1 in heat 13 when Covatti came off on bends 1/2. Fortunately we still got the 5-1 in the rerun. And as scotchopper mentioned, Kevin Wolbert was a decent distance ahead of King in heat 10 when that was stopped after Kerr came down, only for King to get the benefit in the rerun. So in terms of rubs of the green, the majority of them went Ippo's way on the night. And in terms of scathing comments, I think that saying "Fisher is such a dirty rider" is one of those. He seemed to be in no way to blame for any of the incidents. Probably the main issue with Covatti coming off was not that Fish was inside him, but that the track was so devoid of grip all night and by heat 13 it was also wet, so that if you didn't make a sharp start you were going to be on the end of the inevitable domino effect since everyone was sliding out towards the fence at the same time. But back to the whole meeting, it was drifting gently to a close until the joker ride in heat 12, followed by the Monarchs 5-1 in heat 13. All of a sudden there was some interest. Ippo were/are poor. King was very lucky to get 12. But rode his luck and was fast when out in front. Kerr has gone backwards a lot - has he come back from injury too soon? Or is he on slow equipment? If he hadn't come off whilst last in heat 10, he might have got past Etheridge, but then again........... Risager was steady as he goes - managed one win. Sarj seems to have lost his sharpness at the gate and lost what could have been the crucial heat 14 to Clegg. Covatti was going very well till he came off in heat 13. He was actually gating ahead of the pack and not trying to ride the boards!! Paco scored in each race but included in that were 2 losses to Clegg. It was probably a fraction down on what I expected. Greenwood disappointed me. From seeing him get a paid max at Peterborough a couple of years ago, he seems to have gone backwards a lot. Seemed tentative. Monarchs are not great but have spirit. Scored 10 points more than I expected!! 7 race winners and 11 no scores tells the story of a team that needed to have its top 4 on song, so the loss of Erik Riss was a major blow. R/R yielded 1 point when on his form this season he would have probably been looking at 7 or 8. Masters rode well for his paid 13 and was comfortably ahead when heat 15 was stopped. Wolbert was steady and unfortunate to miss out against King when it was stopped and efficiently won the double jpointy joker ride. Etheridge was ...... well the jury is out. He was very poor in a couple of rides, but made a couple of good gates in 2 others and was ahead of Kerr when Kerr ran into the 4th bend fence. The Fish rode well especially in his last 3 rides. Not so past it has some might like to think! Cleggy was very hot and cold. Either gated a mile behind everyone else or got some starts bordering on fliers. But 7 paid 8 was a good haul. Bewley was steady but not really gating with the others apart from when he got his 2nd place in heat 8. Surprised at that because he apparently has been gating very sharply in the NL. Maybe all these 7 ride matches in the NL are tiring him out? And as for the facilities? Food bar on the 2nd bend was closed despite having a sign saying Open on the window! Sound system on the back straight opposite the tapes in abysmal. (But I think it may be better in other parts of the back straight stands?) Lighting is not great. Track has gone downhill so much this year - did I read at the start of the season they had changed the shale to something a bit lighter? Whatever it is there doesn't seem to be much of it. Virtually no overtaking - Bewley passed Greenwood but got excluded for it / Castagna passed Etheridge. Don't remember any more. Crowd was a fair bit lower than I have usually seen. But the company of the BSF section was great!! Nice to meet up with macca at last - but no I still don't want an Ippo car sticker!! . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 It pains me to say it, but given the comment of our Ipswich observer, I also doubt if JE will improve in the near future. I reckon he has lowest points return of all the PL newcomers and the point he recorded at Foxhall was courtesy of only three riders finishing that particular heat. How the lad is surviving on his Speedway earnings, God only knows, and it might be in the best interests of himself if he exited the PL sooner rather than later Laying the groundwork there i think. Perhaps dates cant be agreed with Tabaka yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Did people miss the bit where Campbell states that King is not the rider he used to be? Pretty personal and unnecessary in my opinion particularly when he's still better than 99% of other riders in the PL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Did people miss the bit where Campbell states that King is not the rider he used to be? Pretty personal and unnecessary in my opinion particularly when he's still better than 99% of other riders in the PL. Errr King is not the rider he used to be at the moment. Fact!! And JC's full quote was "Danny King is not the rider he used to be at the moment." Check this season's averages in the Ippo programme - King Matches - 10 Rides - 45 Points - 91 Average 8.08 So he obviously isn't what he used to be at the moment. I think you are making more out of it than there actually is. And as for King being better than 99% of other riders in the PL? Well there are less than 100 riders in the PL so King must be the best in the league? I think Cook, Stead, Kennett might have something to say about that and based on this season's averages alone, probably another dozen riders like Masters, Lawson etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Campbell's kettle's boiled. Edited May 20, 2016 by Ben91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Hugely. If the promoter of my team came out with that kind of sour grapes I'd be embarrassed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Really? You biting yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 You biting yet. Is that the same as eating a piece of cake? JC always tells it as it is!! And that's how it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Hugely. If the promoter of my team came out with that kind of sour grapes I'd be embarrassed. Exactly. We've all seen club officials tuck into poor refereeing decisions. Just find it bizarre that he went on to publicly single out King and call into question his current form. Not sure what value it added to his rant? Hardly Kings fault if the referee makes a few bad decisions. Edited May 20, 2016 by CB252 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Dont see that the comments were out of order - factually correct aside from the 'most sides will win there' part. Danny knows he got away with it in 15 as much as anyone - he said so himself. It couldve been worse had he gone down in 13 as well - he did think about it! wink 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 It was hardly a rant - John can rant much better than that!! And as I showed further back, Danny King is not the rider he used to be at the moment. And because of that we were in with a shout of taking the points. No-one said it was King's fault. The ref had a 'mare and King/Ippo gained. It's over - we move on to Rye. Let's see what the ref has in store on Sunday!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Anyway. Why are we so rubbish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 And as scotchopper mentioned, Kevin Wolbert was a decent distance ahead of King in heat 10 when that was stopped after Kerr came down, only for King to get the benefit in the rerun. So in terms of rubs of the green, the majority of them went Ippo's way on the night. I would rather that Wolbert won the rerun of heat 10 as you wouldn't have got to use the mickey mouse tactical ride two heats later as you would only have been 8 down, so you got the rub of the green in that heat. Bewley exclusion was not soft he totally knocked Ollie off and then crashed himself. Fish took Nico off in 13 always all four back. As stated before looked like Danny laid it down but rather that than smash into fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Anyway. Why are we so rubbish? It makes for closer matches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Anyway. Why are we so rubbish? Poor support from the terraces not gonna help... if only they had something to create an atmosphere with! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Let's see what the ref has in store on Sunday!! Getting your excuses in early. Nice one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Bcmma Cook Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 500-700 people is shocking! Witches should be hitting 1,500 minimum per home meeting I've only been once this season but it sounds like everyone could be for the chop due to inconsistancy but you would keep Covatti to start with, keep King in hope that he will rediscover form, Risager has done nothing wrong. so it comes down to Kerr & Sargeant who potentially could go.... both have been disapointing give or take a meeting Who is available out there on those averages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 That is the question who to come in and strengthen? Also can the track be improved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Bcmma Cook Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 Is Ashley Morris available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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