E I Addio Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 After each race, the four starting marshall's could brush/grade any shale into place if needed to So instead of riders gardening we hold up the start while someone sweeps up the concrete grid ? Have you ever tried sweeping wet shale from a hard surface ? No different to trying to sweep mud, it just smears and the only way you can completely move it is to hose it down. Totally impractical to do that every race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted May 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 So instead of riders gardening we hold up the start while someone sweeps up the concrete grid ? Have you ever tried sweeping wet shale from a hard surface ? No different to trying to sweep mud, it just smears and the only way you can completely move it is to hose it down. Totally impractical to do that every race. What did they do in the past then? Of course the grid wouldn't be completely shale free...but it would still give a fairer start. Clearing too much surplus could be done easily in the time it took to start the next race...and maybe something other than a brush could be used. I've watched and moved shale myself from track corners, when hand grading was common. Yes hard work, and heavy when wet. I'm not saying it could work...just trying to think of ways of making it work, if possible. Just a bit of fun :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Could I suggest that you closely examine the deep grooves at starting gates after a few heats, is an inch or so of concrete really going to be more dramatic? As I said before those ruts are in the direction the bikes travel the concrete would be at 90 degrees so a completely different proposition Correct, I sometimes think some on here need to ride a bike over ruts in line with the racing and a lump of concrete at 90 degrees to the track, or they can try riding a motorbike over a speed hump in the road at 60 mph . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) You could have the concrete start grid on the infield, somewhere near the 3rd bend, feeding into the track about where the tapes are now. Voilà! No gardening, no concrete on the track. Just had another thought on this: You could have a permanent kerb behind the back wheels, as the start is no longer on the track. Put an end to rolling once and for all. It's a serious idea - what's the case against it (apart from the obvious "it's the way we've always done it")? Edited May 18, 2016 by Robert Lee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 You could have the concrete start grid on the infield, somewhere near the 3rd bend, feeding into the track about where the tapes are now. Voilà! No gardening, no concrete on the track. Just had another thought on this: You could have a permanent kerb behind the back wheels, as the start is no longer on the track. Put an end to rolling once and for all. It's a serious idea - what's the case against it (apart from the obvious "it's the way we've always done it")? You're suggesting the riders start from the infield?? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 You're suggesting the riders start from the infield?? Seriously? Yes, seriously. Why not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Yes, seriously. Why not? Brilliant idea why not or even from the outfield ,as long as its not on the racing circuit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Yes, seriously. Why not? The world gets more stupid everyday. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Let's put some jumps on the track as well, that should make the starts less important... Next thread - why test cricket should be played on artificial pitches... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Draw a picture of an infield start and see how tight the first corner is going to be, then consider where the big pile of dirt will be when they come around for lap 2. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 It's little wonder promoters pay little heed to fans when they come out with such nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) It's little wonder promoters pay little heed to fans when they come out with such nonsense.Like yourself😀😀 Edited May 18, 2016 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Like yourself Example please... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) Example please... Most of the time that you speak, get off your perch high horse listen and DEBATE saying that you have not got the humane touch for that sorry.😂 Edited May 18, 2016 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Most of the time that you speak, get off your perch high horse listen and DEBATE saying that you have not got the humane touch for that sorry. Thanks, no examples then. There is nothing to debate here. As others have said, it's a ridiculous idea not even worth contemplating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 The world gets more stupid everyday. Yes. Do people close their minds to new ideas because they are stupid, or is it the other way round - they are stupid because they have closed minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Why dont they just ban gardening full stop....riders arent allowed to be at the tapes until the referee informs the start marshall to bring them up then 1,2,3 release the tapes, if someone isnt quite ready then tough titties, rocket science eh? They can fanny around with there goggles do the Harris and Nicki fidgets all they like then up you come and crack on Re the concrete grid whose job will it be to keep drying the thing when you A water the track and B it rains a little during a meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Yes, seriously. Why not? Just think about it for a few seconds... Just a few. There you go, got it now? If not, read Vince's post. Pretty huge clue there. All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Concrete starting grid is a complete non starter for a number of reasons, all safety related. You can argue for it all you like but it is never going to happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Concrete starting grid is a complete non starter I like what you did there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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