When Did Speedway Stop Being As Good As It Used To Be…

[ColinMills]

In your opinion Colin, I've loved watching all sorts of different riders over the years and still do, for lots of different reasons, not all about the top boys either ....

its not about the top boys, but that's probably why you standing in a deserted stadium

[BWitcher]

The biggest problem this Sport has got, is anyone new looking for information, would find this forum and think 'feck that'...bunch of complete bell ends who just argue amongst themselves.

 

As prominent people in the sport have said...the negativity shown on forums is doing this sport no good.

 

Anyone new looking on here, would think Speedway was full of freaks and avoid.

 

This has to be one of the most ironic posts in forum history!

[waiheke1]

It made me laugh at least

[Daniel Smith]

Whilst the child picks his toys up, back on topic.

 

As Screamer suggests the pricing structure needs to be looked at. Some clubs do offer free admission to Under 16's, this should become standard across the board.

 

However... I do remember Wolverhampton having such a scheme and it becoming problematic as gangs of teens were coming along, not to watch the speedway, but generally be disruptive.

 

The biggest challenge the sport faces is making it seem 'cool' to the younger generation. It needs to be marketed as the ultimate of extreme sports. Play up on the crashes, the danger... they are marketing tools. Forget the 'family sport' image.. it will remain a family sport, you just don't need to advertise it as such.

 

Don't think gangs should cause issue as U16's should be accompanied by an adult. Any issues then that adult becomes suspended.

 

17 and over turning up in gangs, bring it on. They've paid something Speedway wouldn't of got + it only takes 1 or 2 to start watching from a gang of 5 or 6 and things calm down naturally.

 

Me personally, to make Speedway "sick" to the yoovz letting them loose is exactly the right thing to do. Putting a noose on them is what shouldn't be done.

[BWitcher]

 

Don't think gangs should cause issue as U16's should be accompanied by an adult. Any issues then that adult becomes suspended.

 

17 and over turning up in gangs, bring it on. They've paid something Speedway wouldn't of got + it only takes 1 or 2 to start watching from a gang of 5 or 6 and things calm down naturally.

 

Me personally, to make Speedway "sick" to the yoovz letting them loose is exactly the right thing to do. Putting a noose on them is what shouldn't be done.

 

None of these were 'watching' the speedway. They were loitering behind the stand smoking, taking drugs and other activities under 16's are not legally meant to be doing

 

As you say, the introduction of needing to be with a paying adult was brought in.

[Tsunami]

The biggest problem this Sport has got, is anyone new looking for information, would find this forum and think 'feck that'...bunch of complete bell ends who just argue amongst themselves.

 

As prominent people in the sport have said...the negativity shown on forums is doing this sport no good.

 

Anyone new looking on here, would think Speedway was full of freaks and avoid.

And the main culprit is you.

You, and a couple of others, have recently apparently 'found' speedway again, but on every thread you raise issues to slag off current speedway. Yet you insist you love it. In the case of concrete starting pads, you invited reasons why they weren't used now, you were given basically the same reasons which you flippantly dismiss as 'just comments' in a put down way. Low and behold, you find a link suggesting mainly what the others had said, and continue to ignore and criticise others more technically minded who don't agree with you.

Have you ever wondered why your most used phrase on this forum is something like "well we will just have to agree to disagree' on most issues. I don't think you are on a windup, but you over opinionated and unable to take part in a discussion that doesn't accept your point of view. These dead end threads on Speedways failings have only risen since you joined the forum. Yet you love it !!!!

[Daniel Smith]

And the main culprit is you.

You, and a couple of others, have recently apparently 'found' speedway again, but on every thread you raise issues to slag off current speedway. Yet you insist you love it. In the case of concrete starting pads, you invited reasons why they weren't used now, you were given basically the same reasons which you flippantly dismiss as 'just comments' in a put down way. Low and behold, you find a link suggesting mainly what the others had said, and continue to ignore and criticise others more technically minded who don't agree with you.

Have you ever wondered why your most used phrase on this forum is something like "well we will just have to agree to disagree' on most issues. I don't think you are on a windup, but you over opinionated and unable to take part in a discussion that doesn't accept your point of view. These dead end threads on Speedways failings have only risen since you joined the forum. Yet you love it !!!!

 

People should be able to make opinion, good or bad about the sport. It's the constant point scoring posters have. "You said this, your wrong, I said this and I'm right". It then goes round and round and round in the hope that the opponent will fold.

 

If you have a differing opinion that's fine but then just move on ffs. It's not difficult

[BWitcher]

 

People should be able to make opinion, good or bad about the sport. It's the constant point scoring posters have. "You said this, your wrong, I said this and I'm right". It then goes round and round and round in the hope that the opponent will fold.

 

If you have a differing opinion that's fine but then just move on ffs. It's not difficult

 

Not really.

 

When it's about opinions discussions can continue and be engaging as posters post the reasons behind their opinion and discuss accordingly.

 

Where the issues arise is when posters make statements that are factually incorrect... then when corrected and most importantly provided evidence of their error they act like children and refuse to accept it and start bleating about opinions before throwing all their toys out the pram and resorting to abuse. There is a significant difference.

[Gresham]

And the main culprit is you.

You, and a couple of others, have recently apparently 'found' speedway again, but on every thread you raise issues to slag off current speedway. Yet you insist you love it. In the case of concrete starting pads, you invited reasons why they weren't used now, you were given basically the same reasons which you flippantly dismiss as 'just comments' in a put down way. Low and behold, you find a link suggesting mainly what the others had said, and continue to ignore and criticise others more technically minded who don't agree with you.

Have you ever wondered why your most used phrase on this forum is something like "well we will just have to agree to disagree' on most issues. I don't think you are on a windup, but you over opinionated and unable to take part in a discussion that doesn't accept your point of view. These dead end threads on Speedways failings have only risen since you joined the forum. Yet you love it !!!!

Show me every thread where I've 'slagged off speedway'.

 

Go to the Somerset threads and see what I've posted on them.

 

I've not slagged speedway off at all. I may have raised questions as to how it could be improved or why certain things have changed.

 

I've not dismissed anyone....I may not agree with what they say... that's different.

 

As for concrete starting gates...how do you know people are more technically minded than me?

 

Having worked in groundworks and the construction industry in the past...as a Quantity Surveyor and Architectural Tec, I think I'm quiet qualified to have some degree of knowledge on how things can be constructed.

 

Having also ridden Speedway bikes, Moto X, Road bikes as well...I'd say i'd have a good understanding of how certain bikes work on certain surfaces as well.

 

It seems, like I've said on a previous thread, there are a small element on this forum, who like to tell people...instead of debating. And when I or others don't agree with them, they get in a huff and start attacking the person rather than the post. It seems they can't take it, when they get a reaction they don't like.

 

And don't talk bollox about threads only appearing since I've arrived. Loads of different people have started threads of similar ilk.

 

I think you'll find I am able to discuss...I just won't be told things are fact, when I disagree.

 

That's when the likes of Witch start trolling.

 

I don't want to talk to the idiot...and neither do others it seems...so the forum gives us an option to ignore...which I did, because he refused to 'agree to disagree'.

 

He knows I don't want to talk with him...yet he still trolls me and quotes me, as he does with others.

 

I think you'll find, it's the likes of him that are the problem...not me or others who wish to debate.

 

Threads are fine...until people start on at one another.

 

Maybe realise, that your little clique may have been on here a long time, but it doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about Speedway.

 

You don't know me, my involvement in the sport in the past or now.

 

You have no idea who I am...yet you choose to think you are some type of Lord of the forum.

 

It's the constant 'you said this, you said that'...that ruins this forum...and it's all down to a few trolls, who like to tell people, rather than debate.

[The White Knight]

It seems, like I've said on a previous thread, there are a small element on this forum, who like to tell people...instead of debating. And when I or others don't agree with them, they get in a huff and start attacking the person rather than the post. It seems they can't take it, when they get a reaction they don't like.

You'll never make a truer statement on this Forum if you live to be a hundred years old Gresham.

 

I will say this though - I know Tsunami and he is an OK genuine person. He has Promoted at Newcastle and generally knows what he is talking about.

[ColinMills]

carry on saying your piece Gresham, its up to people to respond or not. I personally never knew someone got killed on concrete start grid, so I learnt something..

[Sidney the robin]

Not really.

 

When it's about opinions discussions can continue and be engaging as posters post the reasons behind their opinion and discuss accordingly.

 

Where the issues arise is when posters make statements that are factually incorrect... then when corrected and most importantly provided evidence of their error they act like children and refuse to accept it and start bleating about opinions before throwing all their toys out the pram and resorting to abuse. There is a significant difference.

Your opinions often are not FACT though are they? they are in your head you never have been able to grasp this.I say speedway was better in Yesteryear ( as a example) you say not who is right? none of us just an opinion opinions make the world go around.

Show me every thread where I've 'slagged off speedway'.

 

Go to the Somerset threads and see what I've posted on them.

 

I've not slagged speedway off at all. I may have raised questions as to how it could be improved or why certain things have changed.

 

I've not dismissed anyone....I may not agree with what they say... that's different.

 

As for concrete starting gates...how do you know people are more technically minded than me?

 

Having worked in groundworks and the construction industry in the past...as a Quantity Surveyor and Architectural Tec, I think I'm quiet qualified to have some degree of knowledge on how things can be constructed.

 

Having also ridden Speedway bikes, Moto X, Road bikes as well...I'd say i'd have a good understanding of how certain bikes work on certain surfaces as well.

 

It seems, like I've said on a previous thread, there are a small element on this forum, who like to tell people...instead of debating. And when I or others don't agree with them, they get in a huff and start attacking the person rather than the post. It seems they can't take it, when they get a reaction they don't like.

 

And don't talk bollox about threads only appearing since I've arrived. Loads of different people have started threads of similar ilk.

 

I think you'll find I am able to discuss...I just won't be told things are fact, when I disagree.

 

That's when the likes of Witch start trolling.

 

I don't want to talk to the idiot...and neither do others it seems...so the forum gives us an option to ignore...which I did, because he refused to 'agree to disagree'.

 

He knows I don't want to talk with him...yet he still trolls me and quotes me, as he does with others.

 

I think you'll find, it's the likes of him that are the problem...not me or others who wish to debate.

 

Threads are fine...until people start on at one another.

 

Maybe realise, that your little clique may have been on here a long time, but it doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about Speedway.

 

You don't know me, my involvement in the sport in the past or now.

 

You have no idea who I am...yet you choose to think you are some type of Lord of the forum.

 

It's the constant 'you said this, you said that'...that ruins this forum...and it's all down to a few trolls, who like to tell people, rather than debate.

You carry on my friend giving your opinion nowt wrong with that, there are some decent people on here who are good fun as Colin said if we can all learn a bit along the way gotta be good.

[ColinMills]

quite right sid, gulf oil british league, easily best era for me, proper world championship with shock knock-outs along the way, seeing different riders in every world final, and every rider turning up having 5 rides to become world champion.....its all about opinions, and knowing what i saw and what i see, i prefer what i saw!! definately not the rubbish rider sharing!

Edited May 17, 2016 by ColinMills

[OGT]

When I was a lad you used to get the touring sides coming over, Olching from Germany and the Swedes used to tour too, You'd get Young Poles v Young England tests, all sorts of stuff, all very interesting and a break away from league racing. World championship qualifiers used to start at Division 2 tracks with all the riders vying to reach the next stage. The British Final was a proper prestige event, there were big money, big name televised individual events, the list goes on.

All this has been lost now and what we have left have left is so watered down that the interest has largely disappeared for many many fans.

[Sidney the robin]

quite right sid, gulf oil british league, easily best era for me, proper world championship with shock knock-outs along the way, seeing different riders in every world final, and every rider turning up having 5 rides to become world champion.....its all about opinions, and knowing what i saw and what i see, i prefer what i saw!! definately not the rubbish rider sharing!

I still go now enjoy it mostly,but i am glad i saw speedway in the same era as you a WC that was not a closed shop everybody had a dream not like series now as good as some of the racing is.

[BWitcher]

Your opinions often are not FACT though are they? they are in your head you never have been able to grasp this.I say speedway was better in Yesteryear ( as a example) you say not who is right? none of us just an opinion opinions make the world go around.

You carry on my friend giving your opinion nowt wrong with that, there are some decent people on here who are good fun as Colin said if we can all learn a bit along the way gotta be good.

 

Wrong again Sidney , this is where you always fall down.. unable to comprehend what is being said.

 

I COMPLETELY agree with you that speedway was better in the past, I've never ever denied that.

 

All I have ever said is that the racing wasn't much, if any better, in the old days, which can be proven with all the footage available.

 

It's certain posters inability to read and comprehend that causes the problems.

[ColinMills]

 

Wrong again Sidney , this is where you always fall down.. unable to comprehend what is being said.

 

I COMPLETELY agree with you that speedway was better in the past, I've never ever denied that.

 

All I have ever said is that the racing wasn't much, if any better, in the old days, which can be proven with all the footage available.

 

It's certain posters inability to read and comprehend that causes the problems.

THINK you probably right here...don't think the racing was any closer, we just had big names, big crowd better atmosphere, probably slightly better rules, better package, but yeah, racing probably the same

[Sidney the robin]

Wrong again Sidney , this is where you always fall down.. unable to comprehend what is being said.

 

I COMPLETELY agree with you that speedway was better in the past, I've never ever denied that.

 

All I have ever said is that the racing wasn't much, if any better, in the old days, which can be proven with all the footage available.

 

It's certain posters inability to read and comprehend that causes the problems.

That was just an example Yesteryear maybe if you humoured people a bit it might help make them feel that there view might be valid and had some credibility.

[BWitcher]

That was just an example Yesteryear maybe if you humoured people a bit it might help make them feel that there view might be valid and had some credibility.

 

If their view had any credibility there wouldn't be the issue in the first place.

 

You see a sensible poster, if they get something wrong and it is corrected accepts that and they are happy to learn. I've been corrected on many things.

 

Others start screaming about opinions.

 

The problem falls with Group two and then those who pander to them.

 

Now please can we get back on topic after Gresham has had his latest abuse riddled tantrum.

[Sidney the robin]

If their view had any credibility there wouldn't be the issue in the first place.

 

You see a sensible poster, if they get something wrong and it is corrected accepts that and they are happy to learn. I've been corrected on many things.

 

Others start screaming about opinions.

 

The problem falls with Group two and then those who pander to them.

 

Now please can we get back on topic after Gresham has had his latest abuse riddled tantrum.

Tantrum i have read every post not one Tantrum in there for me maybe frustration and that i can well understand.