LisaColette Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 As I said, No point being the top club when there are no other clubs to compete against. No doubt about it, speedway in the UK is going down, its now up to individual promotors to work together for the betterment of the sport, to make sure there is a tomorrow. But according to Gavan it is Poole fans that are causing it not promoters. So if there were no Poole fans everything would be okay it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 But according to Gavan it is Poole fans that are causing it not promoters. So if there were no Poole fans everything would be okay it seems. Gavan is always right, didn't you know that Lisa  The one thing everyone can agree on is the Elite league is in a real mess now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 The EL has been in a mess for well over 10 years now. The big decline in the sport started in the 90's. They where just to stuppid to get something done to bring the sport into a new era. Instead they have just bummbled along until most of the clubs have about as many fans on the teraces as there are in your local pub, on a week night. What will happen next year, I dread to think, this has been the worst EL that has been macled together since it went from being an amatuer sport. With teams have nothing better in some of them than if they where in the PL. For the sake of keeping the sport running, they need to scap the league system, and start again from scratch. Because after this year fans will not be going to mettings with second rate teams and being expected to fork out £18 to go and watch a dying sport. Lets hope that they can do something to bring the sport into the 21st centuray, another couple of years of what we have put up with this year and the EL will be gone for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 So you're telling me that the man they voted in as new chairman didn't have the respect of the other promoters to be able to stand up and say, "FFS, this is a joke"? It didn't have to be him either, how have the EL managed to mess up so badly when 50% of promoters are so pissed off? And do we know what CVS, Ford, Cook and Morton/Gordon are thinking privately? It remains to be seen if this new chairman makes any difference or major changes, nothing exactly earth shattering so far. Â Not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 problem is the bspa is a collective they all vote but you never know which one /s are to blame , so they all get tarnished  wouldnt it be nice if one of them spilled the beans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Probably sign something it say they are not allowed to cos if Sandhu hasn't then no one will! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 maybe a few of them did stand up and say its wrong, but if they did would they of been listened too after all the voting/decisions were made, those promoters that wanted these changes and are better off because of them are to blame, poole,lakeside,wolves....  what we need is a fully transparent AGM , so we the fans know who/which promoter/s drafted the rules and which ones voted for and against them....  whats to hide?....i wonder t I'm wondering if the votes at the AGM were split and as such the chairman would have the casting vote. As Buster wasn't voted in until the end he could not change things.  Let's judge him by what happens at the next AGM. If he doesn't do something radical and more importantly sensible I'll be the first to complain about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 If the EL (as looks likely) collapses next year then we are faced with the NL, a well run part time sport and the rest. There are a few clubs in the EL and the premier on the brink of extinction who may be able to survive part time. Then a few clubs (poole, Belle Vue..an other with half decent potential attendences. Then the rest. IE the whole premier has sub 1000 attendences (an in a good few cases sub 500). Getting an Elite league to run without a very generous TV deal must be practically impossible. If anyone drops out the EL, who would take their place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Hunter Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Â Â Birmingham dropped out in recent times. This isnt because the clubs arent run properly On this particular point I couldn't agree less. Â When the Phillips' were at Birmingham, the club was run so badly, they were firstly locked out of the stadium by the landlord, secondly kicked out of the EL and finally they were disqualified from ever being involved in speedway again. Â It's been mentioned on here and other threads that David Hemsley is not the most people friendly person out there. You can see that's a reasonably accurate description by some of the company he keeps, notably the person he appointed team manager a couple of seasons ago. However, he has at least put his money where his mouth is and reintroduced speedway to the city of Leicester after almost 30 years. He has also not been afraid to be ambitious, and has taken Leicester into the top speedway league in this country, admittedly with somewhat mixed results. Personally, I feel his choice of race night is totally wrong for the Lions currently and then there is the ongoing debate as to whether the track is actually any good or not (most fans say it isn't). When all is said and done though, it's his money, his future on the line, he can do what he wants, and largely has. Â What Mr Helmsley hasn't done though, is declare open warfare on his own club, encourage divisions within his own staff for his own ends and indulge in character assassination, all of which I saw happen with my club, and which nearly condemned it to oblivion. Personally, I wish Mr Helmsley, Leicester Lions speedway team and all their supporters the best for the future. I hope they can survive, speedway can ill afford to lose another team. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 The EL has been in a mess for well over 10 years now. The big decline in the sport started in the 90's. They where just to stuppid to get something done to bring the sport into a new era. Instead they have just bummbled along until most of the clubs have about as many fans on the teraces as there are in your local pub, on a week night. What will happen next year, I dread to think, this has been the worst EL that has been macled together since it went from being an amatuer sport. With teams have nothing better in some of them than if they where in the PL. For the sake of keeping the sport running, they need to scap the league system, and start again from scratch. Because after this year fans will not be going to mettings with second rate teams and being expected to fork out £18 to go and watch a dying sport. Lets hope that they can do something to bring the sport into the 21st centuray, another couple of years of what we have put up with this year and the EL will be gone for good. If they are going to scrap the league system what is going to replace it ? On another point surely everyone has an equal vote at the BSPA conference. If every promoter says 'run it my way or I'm out then the sports stuffed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 So Mick Horton to move the Coventry outfit into Leicester next season and some other poor unfortunate PL club sent up to the EL to make the numbers up. Will anybody give me 5000/1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 If you have deep pockets (MF) and a nice place to live (especially for Aussies) then you seem to be able to maintain a good team. People then talk about combining the EL and PL but the losers will be EL supporters who will feel hard done by with their lot!. However it probably will have to happen one day with doubling up and down going the way it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 So if there were no Poole fans everything would be okay it seems. It would be much better without two of them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) So Mick Horton to move the Coventry outfit into Leicester next season and some other poor unfortunate PL club sent up to the EL to make the numbers up. Will anybody give me 5000/1? Its either that, or Coventry are finished. Which would you prefere ? And to my mind if Coventry are offered it they should accept it. And a PL side doesn't have to come up providing we keep the 8. Edited May 9, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 A typical response from a Poole Fan. This Guy has tried to make speedway work, He has built a track, that is far better than anything I've seen in Dorset , and you come out with comments like that. The sport is in desperate need of more people like David Hemsley. Â I suggest you get off your arse and put some positive work into the sport like David Hemsley has done, then you'll be able to make a worth-while comment... until then go outside and play..................... I thought you were never going to post on the forum again ? ....people said your be back in a couple of weeks ...another drama queen who ran off with his ball . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) I thought you were never going to post on the forum again ? ....people said your be back in a couple of weeks ...another drama queen who ran off with his ball . Might have gone to Rome on a business trip😀 Edited May 9, 2016 by Crazy robin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Might have gone to Rome on a business trip Is he one of those dodgy priests ? He certainly preaches like one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) Good on David. No point in wasting his time and effort when the BSPA is more corrupt than FIFA by making new rules up just to suit Poole every year.  I am a Poole fan but its obvious that the rules are made up for us every year.  Nobody can tell me that all of the Promoters agreed to the new rules at this year's AGM.  James Sarjeant and Stefan Nielsen are higher up on the draft list than Adam Ellis. Tier 2 draft list might I add. Rules to suit Poole.  Krzysztof Buczkowski not on the Heat Leader list when riders of lesser quality are. Rules to suit Poole  Away from Poole for a second and tonight we have 2 elite league matches where Kyle Howarth (Wolverhampton) & Adam Ellis (Poole) are riding as Heat Leaders. What a joke.  Yet we have Sam Masters (Wolverhampton), Nicolai Klindt (Leicester) & Brady Kurtz (Poole) riding at reserve.  WHAT A COCK UP THIS YEARS AGM WAS!  There wont be an Elite League next year. Clubs are now calling it a day. David Hemsley and Mick Horton don't want to know now and I don't blame them. Great post.... A load of contrived team building and race format bollox put together year in year in out to ultimately deliver a winner of a National Sporting Championship that hardly anyone in the country gives a toss about....  A tiny, tiny sport and getting smaller each passing year...  Well done the BSPA,  Great job....  They must be so proud.... Edited May 9, 2016 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 grw though its obviously totally acceptable for you to have differing views on the subject theres really no need for comments such as"go outside and play" this all has nothing to do with poole and who i support is irrelevant, the point i was making was that speedway promoters dont have a divine right to be successesfull or make a profit and the ones that arent so good at it wont(i wish hed made a huge success of it)many years ago i had greengrocery shops bmouth and ringwood,some of us made good money some great money and some went bust,i sold and bought small hotel in bournemouth,probably more risky than speedway promoting we had the business for 12yrs before selling for flats, during that time dozens and dozens of small hotels went bust or the owners lasted a couple of yrs then got out the business,similar to speedway,the point im making is that in any business if your not very good its going to be a real struggle.respectfully yours keith  It was not my intention to annoy you, but to me , your comments was not warranted for a man who has at least tried to promoted the sport. Sure he had mistakes, If it was that easy, everyone would do it. also, you elected to include Poole in your name, so letting people know who you support. It is common knowledge on here that the majority of poole supporters think only of Matt Ford, so you will always be tarred with that brush... . It is very difficult to compare buying a greengrocery shop to that of promoting Speedway, but I understand your point. From your post, you obviously made some good decisions and have been successful in your trade. But no doubt you also made some bad decisions as you found your way.  We need to support people like David Hemsley, Without them the sport will die..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Many of you may have missed the point here, if Mr H resigns his membership of the BSPA he no longer has to be bound by it's rules leaving him to pursue whatever action he chooses to protect his business. Granted David isn't everyone's cup of tea but treating him with contempt isn't the way to get along with him, the EL begged him to join them when Leicester re-opened as another EL club would help them secure the TV deal. Now he is in it would be fair to say that he doesn't enjoy the support of all of his colleagues in that league, but they're alright jack (for the time being). I'm speculating of course, allegedly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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