BWitcher Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 So you're telling me that the man they voted in as new chairman didn't have the respect of the other promoters to be able to stand up and say, "FFS, this is a joke"? It didn't have to be him either, how have the EL managed to mess up so badly when 50% of promoters are so pissed off? And do we know what CVS, Ford, Cook and Morton/Gordon are thinking privately? They're quite happy as most likely to be making the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Trying to drum up more support, lots of football fans to go at and people who are on a high about their city ... More likely trying to get the people who already support both to still come , after they have spent all their money buying flags and football shirts and drinking all weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 In which case he should have immediately called for an EGM and those "promoters" moaning should have tried to change things, not an ideal way to proceed but look at the screw ups that have happened. Why would an EGM be called? Chapman was the only one at the time to voice his displeasure. The others hadn't started shouting until the season had already started. What's he supposed to do? Scrap the league and start from scratch in June? There's some unrealistic views of Chapman's rein so far. From the get go, he said judge him from 2017 on, 2016's a rightoff So you're telling me that the man they voted in as new chairman didn't have the respect of the other promoters to be able to stand up and say, "FFS, this is a joke"? It didn't have to be him either, how have the EL managed to mess up so badly when 50% of promoters are so pissed off? And do we know what CVS, Ford, Cook and Morton/Gordon are thinking privately? Knowing Chapman as us Stars fans do he'd of done exactly as you suggest. But, you nailed on a previous thread when us fans were called thick, biased and what ever the other one was. Chapman is one voice, I fear even though he's Chairman at the end of the day he's still only one voice. What can a chairman do if all the other thicko's vote the opposite?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) Why would an EGM be called? Chapman was the only one at the time to voice his displeasure. The others hadn't started shouting until the season had already started. What's he supposed to do? Scrap the league and start from scratch in June? There's some unrealistic views of Chapman's rein so far. From the get go, he said judge him from 2017 on, 2016's a rightoff Knowing Chapman as us Stars fans do he'd of done exactly as you suggest. But, you nailed on a previous thread when us fans were called thick, biased and what ever the other one was. Chapman is one voice, I fear even though he's Chairman at the end of the day he's still only one voice. What can a chairman do if all the other thicko's vote the opposite?!? So you think it's acceptable that half the EL promoters are not happy but not one of them had the balls to stand up and say, "this is wrong" and if they did nobody else backed them when it was blindingly obvious it was wrong? If these are the people running the sport we're doomed. As for judge him in 2017, he has to deal with the fall out or riders averaged being messed up due to riding as heat leaders, second strings or reserves. Possibly no Leicester, Coventry or Swindon. Good luck to him! Also, why do we never hear from Chapman? It always Cook or Godfrey who are carted out for a quote or two. He promised us transparency but 6 months in and we've had almost none - I accept we had some this week with the Cook/Peterborough move (even if it was flawed) Edited May 9, 2016 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) so hes still the owner staying as managing director and his wife is going to take his job as promoter hardly needs a press release hes just having a rant.this is a guy who built a new track that was the wrong shape,races on the wrong night and or runs his team in the wrong league,them blames everyone elseAre you for real ? this bloke has done his utmost for Leicester brought it back after 28 years.Are you blinkered or what surely you want the whole sport to prosper or are you happy for Poole to be the only club in existence they would not have to cheat then would they.😀😀😀 Edited May 9, 2016 by Sidney the robin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 The decision has come following a run of issues over a number of years that has made the Lions Promoter feel his position is untenable, particularly as he is one of a new breed of speedway promoters who would wish to see change in both the British Speedway Promoters’ Association and the Speedway Control Bureau by bringing speedway more in-line with other sports governing bodies who he deals with through his company on a day to day basis. Looks like he has realized a few years before Sandhu did that he's fighting a losing battle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 so hes still the owner staying as managing director and his wife is going to take his job as promoter hardly needs a press release hes just having a rant.this is a guy who built a new track that was the wrong shape,races on the wrong night and or runs his team in the wrong league,them blames everyone else and there in lies the problem. Poole fans who have this attitude that ' im alright jack and sod the rest' is exactly the reason why the sport is declining. Typical response 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Why would an EGM be called? Chapman was the only one at the time to voice his displeasure. The others hadn't started shouting until the season had already started. What's he supposed to do? Scrap the league and start from scratch in June? There's some unrealistic views of Chapman's rein so far. From the get go, he said judge him from 2017 on, 2016's a rightoff Knowing Chapman as us Stars fans do he'd of done exactly as you suggest. But, you nailed on a previous thread when us fans were called thick, biased and what ever the other one was. Chapman is one voice, I fear even though he's Chairman at the end of the day he's still only one voice. What can a chairman do if all the other thicko's vote the opposite?!? Because if Chapman realised that he would have done thing differently he should have put that to the promoters and asked their opinions rather than carry on with something that was not what he as chairperson would want to work with. In most organisations the Chairperson is voted on at the start of the meeting and before any changes are made, not after. This is like other organisations, the boss does not like the way it works but does nothing about it. Next he will be asking why spectator numbers are down and why the crap is hitting the fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 and there in lies the problem. Poole fans who have this attitude that ' im alright jack and sod the rest' is exactly the reason why the sport is declining. Typical response Ummmm okayyyyy. Blaming the sports decline on Poole fans, that's bad even for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Well done to Helmsley in bring the sport back to Leicester. And well do e to him for resigning. Now perhaps it can be run properly. He made a complete howler of the track shape when he had a blank canvas, he wouldnt listen to advice and as a result the racing suffered and with it the crowd dwindled. Fresh promoter needed to finish the track, start building a report with the fans and sort out the correct race night. Not that difficult job to be honest. As for Helmsley and wanting change in the BSPA. You cant do anything from the outside. This is not bad news at all to be honest. Ummmm okayyyyy. Blaming the sports decline on Poole fans, that's bad even for you! Typical Gavan post. You should know by now that in his world Poole were responsible for the holocaust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethelion Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 I see that DH before he resigned decided that season ticket holders at Leicester City Football club can get in for £10 but regular Leicester Lions Speedway fans have to pay the Full £18 for there loyal support. Loyalty means nothing then. The club has faced criticism from some on it's offer to LCFC fans for tonight's meeting, but they're at least trying to be pro-active in attracting new fans to the sport. It's no good getting the same old people attending but paying less, they need to attract new fans who will hopefully return, I know it will upset regular supporters ( i'm a Lions season ticket holder myself) , but surely we need to look at the bigger picture & get new people attending, because if not the club will die again & ultimately it will be another nail in the coffin for the sport. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Well done to Helmsley in bring the sport back to Leicester. And well do e to him for resigning. Now perhaps it can be run properly. He made a complete howler of the track shape when he had a blank canvas, he wouldnt listen to advice and as a result the racing suffered and with it the crowd dwindled. Fresh promoter needed to finish the track, start building a report with the fans and sort out the correct race night. Not that difficult job to be honest. As for Helmsley and wanting change in the BSPA. You cant do anything from the outside. This is not bad news at all to be honest. Hemsley certainly has been the good, the bad and the ugly of Leicester Speedway. At the same time this could be really bad as the property developers will get wind of this pretty quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 If there are only six teams in the EL, then the speedway constitution states thathe EL and PL merge to make two leagues. There will aleays be s top lesgue and second division. And judging by the size of the crowds Leicester got a couple of years ago, they could be won back. Helmsley wouldnt listen. He even altered the track shape Ermolenko marked out then sacked him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) Hemsley certainly has been the good, the bad and the ugly of Leicester Speedway. At the same time this could be really bad as the property developers will get wind of this pretty quick I don't think you need worry about the land being sold for development. The reason that the land is not already built on is that it formed part of Leicester's main sewage farm until the sewage works at Wanlip were built. As a result the land was heavily contaminated with heavy metals (e.g. Cadmium & Lead) and is not suitable for building on because of danger to those living or working on the land. Not sure if spectators are at risk! Edited May 9, 2016 by Happy Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 What amazes me is that with so many promoters moaning about decisions making since the AGM how nobody stood up and said, "look, we're making a pigs ear of this". So far Hemsley, Chapman, Rosco and Horton (half the EL including BSPA chairman) have said the whole thing is a farce, things were rushed or they're disillusioned. Still, all part of the great new era for Chapman and his band of merry men. maybe a few of them did stand up and say its wrong, but if they did would they of been listened too after all the voting/decisions were made, those promoters that wanted these changes and are better off because of them are to blame, poole,lakeside,wolves.... what we need is a fully transparent AGM , so we the fans know who/which promoter/s drafted the rules and which ones voted for and against them.... whats to hide?....i wonder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 A typical response from a Poole Fan. This Guy has tried to make speedway work, He has built a track, that is far better than anything I've seen in Dorset , and you come out with comments like that. The sport is in desperate need of more people like David Hemsley. I suggest you get off your arse and put some positive work into the sport like David Hemsley has done, then you'll be able to make a worth-while comment... until then go outside and play..................... grw though its obviously totally acceptable for you to have differing views on the subject theres really no need for comments such as"go outside and play" this all has nothing to do with poole and who i support is irrelevant, the point i was making was that speedway promoters dont have a divine right to be successesfull or make a profit and the ones that arent so good at it wont(i wish hed made a huge success of it)many years ago i had greengrocery shops bmouth and ringwood,some of us made good money some great money and some went bust,i sold and bought small hotel in bournemouth,probably more risky than speedway promoting we had the business for 12yrs before selling for flats, during that time dozens and dozens of small hotels went bust or the owners lasted a couple of yrs then got out the business,similar to speedway,the point im making is that in any business if your not very good its going to be a real struggle.respectfully yours keith 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) And again a Poole fan misses the whole context of the statement. Its quite clear some promoters have serious concerns how the AGM went and where the sport is heading. We all know whats happening but please, stop taking pops at Poole which seems to be your agenda. See National stadium thread, and whether you like it or not, speedway WILL have to change. Edited May 9, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Well done to Helmsley in bring the sport back to Leicester. And well do e to him for resigning. Now perhaps it can be run properly. He made a complete howler of the track shape when he had a blank canvas, he wouldnt listen to advice and as a result the racing suffered and with it the crowd dwindled. Fresh promoter needed to finish the track, start building a report with the fans and sort out the correct race night. Not that difficult job to be honest. As for Helmsley and wanting change in the BSPA. You cant do anything from the outside. This is not bad news at all to be honest. Typical Gavan post. You should know by now that in his world Poole were responsible for the holocaust. Steve your club is going along nicely but remember without the other clubs your club is zilch.Ok Ford is decent at what he does,whether he always morally does the right thing that is debatable ok these guy at Leicester might of made a few mistakes but we need these fresh people in British speedway.Lets put it another way stick Ford say at Middlesboro, nowt wrong with it there sorry nothing against the area then we would see how good Ford was.Ford he has done a great job but let's be honest compared to most other areas he is running a club in a mini Monaco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Ummmm okayyyyy. Blaming the sports decline on Poole fans, that's bad even for you! Lisa, please don't argue with him thats what he wants. You cannot compete with forum trolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 We all know whats happening but please, stop taking pops at Poole which seems to be your agenda. See National stadium thread, and whether you like it or not, speedway WILL have to change. He didnt take a pop at Poole, he quite rightly pointed out that it was a Poole fan who made a rather idiotic post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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