Sidney the robin Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 As I pointed out earlier. It's an illusion that the strong reserve is winning the matches, because the rider who should be there is struggling in the top 5 and can only be replaced once. Wright could have picked up plenty of points at reserve, and Tungate would have outscored what Wright scored in the top 5. It's wrong that these riders are at reserve. Pedersen at reserve for Poole is ridiculous. But it's not neccesarily making teams stronger. Pedersen beating reserves by half a lap doesn't score any more than Wright, Ellis or Howarth beating reserves by a small amount, but Ellis or Wright scoring 1 or 2 in the top 5 scores less than the likes of Pedersen and Tungate scoring 6 or 7. It needs sorting, but, in the end, it's still the same 7 riders. Swindon didn't win just because they had Tungate at reserve. Spot on Swindon won because Morris got 9 Sedgy/Josh 6 each and Stef 6 also take in to consideration Bomber scored alot less than Doyley would of got. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 can someone confirm the prices for belle vue- is it £23 for a grandstand seat and for NL matches its £10 £10 and £10 for Terrace, Grandstand, Premium Grandstand and the program is £2 (EL is £3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Pleased for Belle Vue fans that they have a track to be proud of.Looks very good given time it will be even better more big meetings on the horizon for this track.Fair play to Chris/Co for making it happen Mort was a big favourite of mine as a rider and is easy to talk to now as a promoter. And he gives fans the time of day chuffed for him and the diehard Belle Vue fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Spot on. Reserves have always played a part in speedway but ever since the "draft" came in, more meetings than not, have been decided by their performances and the heat leaders importance has steadily declined. But this season with the new rules, it really has gone too far and nearly every meeting so far is being decided by whichever team has a so called "reserve" or even "reserves", scoring 15-20+ points on his own or between them, so that even when a World class number 1 like Doyle is missing (and replaced by an average rider like Harris) then the team can still easily win a meeting (away at that too!) because of their number 6 or 7 (or both!!). No wonder British speedway struggles to attract either a) many real quality riders or crowds!! Most arent happy with that particular ruling especially Alun at Swindon but not really sure what that troll is getting at calling him a disgrace?! The ruling's in most sides will benefit at some stage with a 1-5 rider dropping down and banging in big points...deal with it...oh btw Wright who probably would had scored at least 8 from reserve only scored 2 from the number 2 position..Tungate with the form he is in and gating like he is would had far outscored that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Most arent happy with that particular ruling especially Alun at Swindon but not really sure what that troll is getting at calling him a disgrace?! The ruling's in most sides will benefit at some stage with a 1-5 rider dropping down and banging in big points...deal with it...oh btw Wright who probably would had scored at least 8 from reserve only scored 2 from the number 2 position..Tungate with the form he is in and gating like he is would had far outscored that KKS is just a pillock and wind up merchant hs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 KKS is just a pillock and wind up merchant hs Very true...i'd go as far as saying it's an inbred, if im being honest ive lost track of what bloody names it uses! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 As I pointed out earlier. It's an illusion that the strong reserve is winning the matches, because the rider who should be there is struggling in the top 5 and can only be replaced once. Wright could have picked up plenty of points at reserve, and Tungate would have outscored what Wright scored in the top 5. It's wrong that these riders are at reserve. Pedersen at reserve for Poole is ridiculous. But it's not neccesarily making teams stronger. Pedersen beating reserves by half a lap doesn't score any more than Wright, Ellis or Howarth beating reserves by a small amount, but Ellis or Wright scoring 1 or 2 in the top 5 scores less than the likes of Pedersen and Tungate scoring 6 or 7. It needs sorting, but, in the end, it's still the same 7 riders. Swindon didn't win just because they had Tungate at reserve. Spot on post. The same situation applied to Wolves with Masters, where if anything they were weaker with him at reserve and Howarth as a heat leader. The fact Lindgren had gone back to second string and Bech to heat leader made them weaker still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 It wasn't, Rob. It was, as New Science has suggested, a rider drifting off the inside. If either rider had stayed on the kerb, there would have been no passing at all. Make no mistake, the shape of the track is superb - the entrance to the bends has to be seen to be believed - and there's no reason why it cannot be as good as its predecessor at Hyde Road. Jon Armstrong's brilliant ride last Friday proved that. But it needs someone - like Colin Meredith - who can prepare it properly. Otherwise it might as well be square and full of holes. I don't doubt that the rest of the meeting wasn't but I am only commenting on the one heat that's available, not the meeting itself. I trust your judgement of the overall meeting but that heat 11 entertained me hugely, hence my comment which acknowledged that there was still far to go. To me the mark of a good track is the ability to pass on the outside but I can still know a good race when I see one. Obviously I can't comment on the other 14 heats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I don't doubt that the rest of the meeting wasn't but I am only commenting on the one heat that's available, not the meeting itself. I trust your judgement of the overall meeting but that heat 11 entertained me hugely, hence my comment which acknowledged that there was still far to go. To me the mark of a good track is the ability to pass on the outside but I can still know a good race when I see one. Obviously I can't comment on the other 14 heats. Problem is mate, it was said, to be the best race of the night, so what were the rest like ? 1 2 3 4. And I don't care how good the track is, you will always get that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) Problem is mate, it was said, to be the best race of the night, so what were the rest like ? 1 2 3 4. And I don't care how good the track is, you will always get that... I am amazed at the profound wisdom. I'd never realised that if one race is the best of the night the others might not be as good. Edited May 13, 2016 by Aces51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I am amazed at the profound wisdom. I'd never realised that if one race is the best of the night the others might no be as good. That's Starman for you. Only Poole can ride well, apart from at Leicester that is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) I think you are probably old enough to have heard the expression 'Rome wasn't built in a day'? Seriously, what were you expecting? No speedway track I know or have known produces epic speedway every meeting. There are differing variables. This country now has a fantastic stadium to host international calibre events and because this meeting wasn't full of passes your assessment is that it's crap. Perhaps if Young Gollob had been in the Aces line up it might have produced a better scenario! A much more measured and reasonable response would be to give it two or three months, especially with its well documented problems and perhaps give a view at this stage. The race I saw suggests that given time the track has potential. It most certainly isn't 'a Leicester' and not sure why you have commented in this negative way. I look forward to visiting BV and this impressive facility in the not too distant future. I commented negatively because the racing was rubbish, simple as. It says everything that the Belle Vue supporters on here haven't ripped my post apart as they know I have a point. On Friday night, Jon Armstrong pulled off a stunning ride by taking one of the Colts on the inside and one on the outside as he went from third to first. I believe its on Facebook, so take a look. If he could do that in the first meeting, why does it need 3 months to bed in ? I also said that my disappointment was much greater simply because of the expectations that I had. If Armstrong could do that, I was wondering precisely what the likes of Cook and Zagar could do. Thanks to the track, it turned out to be very little. And that's really my point. I'd accept no track produces fantastic meetings every time (although its rare that I have seen a bad one at Scunthorpe, for example) but the size, shape and banking at NSS is so impressive there's every chance Belle Vue fans will see an awful lot of them. That's if the track is prepared correctly, of course. If it isn't, it will be no better than Leicester - as we saw all too clearly on Wednesday. Its been said - hes on holiday, cant the man have an holiday, hes been through a stressful time in the last few weeks - he'll be back. A lot was said against Dave Gordon/Chris Morton a few weeks back when the reportedly the contractors messed things up, I would like to give them some praise on the design of the track. Its reported they spent time going to various tracks across Europe, and keeping in mind the Hyde Road track, and came up with whats now being raced on, and getting positive reviews from posters on here. So, well done Dave and Chris Of course he can take a holiday. But why bring in someone who got sacked a few years ago for disastrously ruining a track surface leading to a meeting being called off ? As some have said, this was close to an opening meeting and there are a lot of good track curators about. Why not get one of them in ? Edited May 13, 2016 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van wolfswinkel Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Bloody ell just got back from holiday in Poole and saw the Rockin Roobins are top after winning at Belle Vue without Doyley!, Fantastic scoring from Tunny, and heat 11 was superb. They were second from bottom, and are now at least top until Monday. Hope they can do the double over Lynn to stay there. Well done guys, Need big crowd at The Shabbey next week. With new consortium and new stadium things are looking up for west-country speedway fans. GO ROOBINS!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Bloody ell just got back from holiday in Poole and saw the Rockin Roobins are top after winning at Belle Vue without Doyley!, Fantastic scoring from Tunny, and heat 11 was superb. They were second from bottom, and are now at least top until Monday. Hope they can do the double over Lynn to stay there. Well done guys, Need big crowd at The Shabbey next week. With new consortium and new stadium things are looking up for west-country speedway fans. GO ROOBINS!!! pretty sure the internet is active down Dorset way.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) Bloody ell just got back from holiday in Poole and saw the Rockin Roobins are top after winning at Belle Vue without Doyley!, Fantastic scoring from Tunny, and heat 11 was superb. They were second from bottom, and are now at least top until Monday. Hope they can do the double over Lynn to stay there. Well done guys, Need big crowd at The Shabbey next week. With new consortium and new stadium things are looking up for west-country speedway fans. GO ROOBINS!!! How dare you "Downsman " the toilets have improved specially on the cheap side😀Shabbey what does that mean anyway on the team front things are looking good i think we will get the double over the stars and beat the RICH revolting Pirates at home happy with that.😀 Edited May 13, 2016 by Sidney the robin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) Problem is mate, it was said, to be the best race of the night, so what were the rest like ? Not as good as that one Edited May 13, 2016 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 How dare you "Downsman " the toilets have improved specially on the cheap sideShabbey what does that mean anyway on the team front things are looking good i think we will get the double over the stars and beat the RICH revolting Pirates at home happy with that. How have they improved Sidders? You mean to say there is running water in there nowadays? What about the cockroaches? Any sign of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) I commented negatively because the racing was rubbish, simple as. It says everything that the Belle Vue supporters on here haven't ripped my post apart as they know I have a point. On Friday night, Jon Armstrong pulled off a stunning ride by taking one of the Colts on the inside and one on the outside as he went from third to first. I believe its on Facebook, so take a look. If he could do that in the first meeting, why does it need 3 months to bed in ? I also said that my disappointment was much greater simply because of the expectations that I had. If Armstrong could do that, I was wondering precisely what the likes of Cook and Zagar could do. Thanks to the track, it turned out to be very little. And that's really my point. I'd accept no track produces fantastic meetings every time (although its rare that I have seen a bad one at Scunthorpe, for example) but the size, shape and banking at NSS is so impressive there's every chance Belle Vue fans will see an awful lot of them. That's if the track is prepared correctly, of course. If it isn't, it will be no better than Leicester - as we saw all too clearly on Wednesday. Of course he can take a holiday. But why bring in someone who got sacked a few years ago for disastrously ruining a track surface leading to a meeting being called off ? As some have said, this was close to an opening meeting and there are a lot of good track curators about. Why not get one of them in ? I felt the same as you on Wed H T and came home feeling a little disapointed.But after watching the Colts match last night the track really showed its true potential there were more passes than i have fingers and toes to count on it was a briliant race meeting.I dont know what happened on Wednesday perhaps the Belle vue boys could not find the right set up and the Swindon riders did who knows.as they certainly showed us how to ride it.If thats the case i hope the Belle vue riders take the time to get some practise on the track before our next home meeting.Having said that i would like to think that with time that the home riders will get dialed in and the track will build up some more dirt as its a little to slick for me at the moment and the outside line will be a lot better when it does.Time is the key. Edited May 14, 2016 by B.V 72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 How have they improved Sidders? You mean to say there is running water in there nowadays? What about the cockroaches? Any sign of them? Cockroaches? What you mean it's now a stand specifically designed for Reading and Oxford Exiles?..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) How have they improved Sidders? You mean to say there is running water in there nowadays? What about the cockroaches? Any sign of them?The stench will stay with me for ever ER,that memory will stay with me. Saying that the wall behind those bogs saved me a fortune over the years never paid for years.The club got my entrance money back in other ways though spent LOADS on memorabilia. Edited May 14, 2016 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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