Starman2006 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 You're probably right but I don't think it'd be the right thing for British Speedway to close the door on Europe's best just to give Brits Elite rides. It would be a backward step I totally agree, but you are never going to get them back, no matter what.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I totally agree, but you are never going to get them back, no matter what.. Within sport, everything seems to go round in circles so never say never. The BSPA are critical in making sure they get things right and in place but they're certainly making hard work of it at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Within sport, everything seems to go round in circles so never say never. The BSPA are critical in making sure they get things right and in place but they're certainly making hard work of it at the moment. They are, but i still don't think it will change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I don’t have an issue with it. Cook is British rider racing in a British league. This same question has been asked about Ellis (a young Brit) racing in the NL (a league for young Brits). Re Cook, you could find 101 reasons to justify or go against the “ambition” of Craig Cook and most of the points would have their merits, for example, it hinders his progress, yes possibly, but how does he progress if he isn’t racing meetings and making money? Or he should be racing against a higher standard of rider, yes sure, but does it not benefit other Brits getting to race him at PL level? If anything is strength of rider trickling down through the leagues not a good thing as it allows all Brits the chance to test themselves and thus in theory get better in the same way Cook testing himself at a higher level allows him to get better? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Did i put that list up ? Sorry starman, not a pop at you either!! Got quote wrong, huge fingers/all thumb!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Sorry starman, not a pop at you either!! Got quote wrong, huge fingers/all thumb!! No worries, we all do it. But some get flack for it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 If Cook wants to make a living riding speedway, he needs to ride regularly. If he can't get into the Polish team, you can hardly blame him wanting to ride EL/PL over here. He is an independent sole trader so should be entitled to earn money where he can (like Ellis). The question we have to ask, can British speedway afford full-time speedway riders? I like your third sentence. And your bottom one, not for much longer at a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 The question we have to ask, can British speedway afford full-time speedway riders? Yes. It's the rider's choice, nothing to do with British Speedway as such. Some riders have day jobs, some think they can make a living just riding bikes. If the rider's become amateur or professional the costs to the clubs remain the same as they pay points money. Amateur or professional a No'1s or No'7s bills for racing are still the same, it will not bring the clubs costs down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I despise doubling up, it puts riders out of work. How far will it go... "A guest to cover for a rider who rides for both teams riding this evening!". Stop it before we only have two dozen riders to go around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I despise doubling up, it puts riders out of work. How far will it go... "A guest to cover for a rider who rides for both teams riding this evening!". Stop it before we only have two dozen riders to go around. Double-Up is fine but we shouldn't have the Elite & Premier League's running on the same nights IMO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Double-Up is fine but we shouldn't have the Elite & Premier League's running on the same nights IMO Sorry, it isn't fine. Since it's introduction the BSPA have gradually had to "extend" it's use due to riders being forced to retire with no youth coming through. Now everyone seems to qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) The removal of doubling up would put clubs out of a business and thus even more riders out of work. Edited May 5, 2016 by sparkafag 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Cookie needs to earn money, of course it's OK ..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Maybe so,but it was his decision to give Britain a miss.! No he didn't. Do try to keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 The removal of doubling up would put clubs out of a business and thus even more riders out of work. I will now yes.. It needs to be phased out in a controlled way. Makes us look stupid when you see the "British Semi finals" advertised with the riders representative clubs listed. I had to explain it to my seven year old yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) oops wrong thread Edited May 5, 2016 by Star Lady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) I will now yes.. It needs to be phased out in a controlled way. Makes us look stupid when you see the "British Semi finals" advertised with the riders representative clubs listed. I had to explain it to my seven year old yesterday. I don’t feel stupid when I look at it, it isn’t anything to do with me, it is also easily enough to explain it I would rather the British Final had riders who double up between teams than the alternative options if the rule was removed, there isn’t the number of riders who want to commit to racing in this country to be enable it to be phased out. I would be curios to know the riders who have retired as a result of the rule? Edited May 5, 2016 by sparkafag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Okay, I won't hijack the thread. People are walking away from the sport and I firmly believe this is one of the many reasons why speedway looks stupid and people don't go. It's basically a self depleting prophecy and will reduce the sport to just a few riders while there are no vacancies to fill. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Yes has to be allowed if possible. Cook continuing to ride in the UK is a good thing. Make Britain attractive to these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Okay, I won't hijack the thread. People are walking away from the sport and I firmly believe this is one of the many reasons why speedway looks stupid and people don't go. It's basically a self depleting prophecy and will reduce the sport to just a few riders while there are no vacancies to fill. I appreciate I won’t change how you feel re the rule and how you feel others portray it but what riders being frozen out as a result of it or forced to retire? Now more than ever is an ideal chance for a rider to gain a team spot in Britain, it’s the reason riders like Konopka, Edberg and Massen have found team spots in recent years. The rule is in place because of a paucity of riders wanting to race in this country and has been extended to help produce more young Brits and give them more chances to improve to increase the churn of riders, it is in place because promotions agree with your sentiment. If the rule was removed/hadn’t been introduced where do your proposed clubs were going to find the 20+ riders who are part of the system and where was the cost going to come from to cover the demand as a result of dwindling riders in this country? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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