Arson fire Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I think you misread my post. My point was that if they had contacted Peterborough and said it was the Friday race night that was the problem, Peterborough would have reminded them that they also used Sundays and could change to that being their official race night and hey presto, problem solved. All we would have known was that the BSPA had acted in the best interests of the sport by taking sensible action to resolve the problem. They may even have been applauded rather than making themselves look foolish. I agree with Orion, did I say that out loud, that Peterborough could have handled this better but it is the responsibility of the Management Committee, acting as a tribunal, to ensure that they are aware of all the relevant facts and consider them before making a decision. They obviously didn't or they would have seen the possible solution staring them in the face. but they tryed to re declare and the bspa said no, Godfrey also told Rathbone as a friend it prop wouldnt be sanctioned... I cant see what they have done wrong? Cant we declare this team? No Why? Because race nights clash and if we let you then we have to let anyone. Perterborough then went public about it up in arms, but then obviously realised they needed to alter something and re declare Everyone happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I agree with Orion, did I say that out loud, that Peterborough could have handled this better but it is the responsibility of the Management Committee, acting as a tribunal, to ensure that they are aware of all the relevant facts and consider them before making a decision. They obviously didn't or they would have seen the possible solution staring them in the face. It the responsibility of the management committee to accept or decline team changes with the facts given ..in this case they were asked to accept cook as a boro rider who would had the same race night as his El what clearly is not being allowed so they said no . its not up to them to run Boro's team affairs or indeed find a solution that is up to Boro . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Well I am pleased the situation is resolved but still stand by my opinion that Cook as an EL heat leader should not be riding in the PL.Why when the gulf between the 2 leagues is as small as its ever been..Newman's averages prove that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 COMMON SENSE PREVAILS, After being let down by his Polish side then the BSPA should be helpimh Craig ,,not hindering him Well said, there is no way we should hinder BRITISH riders from earning a living. Common sense that should have been dealt with at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Why when the gulf between the 2 leagues is as small as its ever been..Newman's averages prove that. Theres a massive gulf between the two leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Well said, there is no way we should hinder BRITISH riders from earning a living. Common sense that should have been dealt with at the time. of course there should be a way ...you can't just do you what you want just because it's allows a brit to earn more money Edited May 10, 2016 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Not really ..Boro were told that the move would (may) not be allowed ...so they should have never have gone public (they hadn't planned to) ...if they had gone back and ask why and how the move could have gone ahead (they did) we would not have any of all the drama that followed ....not saying the bspa have done great (understatement) but boro must take most of the blame for going public (forced) about a signing that was never going to be allowed (never say never) . My assumptions added to yours in brackets. Seriously, this situation highlights how out of control we are. Strange thing to me is in my opinion I'm not convinced it strengthens Panthers that much - short term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 My assumptions added to yours in brackets. Seriously, this situation highlights how out of control we are. Strange thing to me is in my opinion I'm not convinced it strengthens Panthers that much - short term. What are your assumptions base on ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 of course there should be a way ...you can't just do you what you want just because it's allows a brit to earn more money I'm not suggesting that at all. Rules are there for a reason. The point I was trying to make we should be doing MORE to help British riders and that includes a right to earn a living from their country of birth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I think the conversation went more like this. Can we sign Cook? No. Why? Both teams ride on the same night. But you've allowed it already where one rider is signed for clubs running on the same night. Errrrr, putting that to one side we're sticking with our decision. You know The Aces only ride a small percentage of their fixtures on Fridays and we run quite a few Sunday's. Doesn't matter you're both Friday tracks. How about if the situation remains the same but I say we run on Sunday? Errrrrrr. Then it's not the same race night then is it? Errrrrr. 'Cause that was the issue wasn't it? Errrrrrrr. I think we're done here. Get me Cook on the 'phone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Well I am pleased the situation is resolved but still stand by my opinion that Cook as an EL heat leader should not be riding in the PL. A bit like Poole's number one in the averages riding in the National Lge ? British riders should be free to ride in any league in Britain IMO... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Theres a massive gulf between the two leagues.Do you realy believe that?...how is it then that your top man rides in the national league!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 What are your assumptions base on ? Same as yours, I assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Do you realy believe that?...how is it then that your top man rides in the national league!?a but of a daft question when the race format is so different between the leagues. I'm not suggesting that at all. Rules are there for a reason. The point I was trying to make we should be doing MORE to help British riders and that includes a right to earn a living from their country of birth! but it was cooks decision not to do PL initially you cant have it all ways shirley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Why when the gulf between the 2 leagues is as small as its ever been..Newman's averages prove that.Totally right "Lukas" Newman has a EL average calculated with two races with draft riders in them he would not cope in the top five certainly away from home in the EL.His races in the PL are generally harder than most of his EL rides if he was that good why does he not average 8.50 plus.? in the PL if it is so easy that league is not easy. Edited May 10, 2016 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 but it was cooks decision not to do PL initially you cant have it all ways shirley. He gave up the PL to try progress his career, top marks for trying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 a but of a daft question when the race format is so different between the leagues. but it was cooks decision not to do PL initially you cant have it all ways shirley. That's true, but he does have a 2015 PL average, so is therefore entitled to ride PL this year... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 That's true, but he does have a 2015 PL average, so is therefore entitled to ride PL this year...of course he is.He gave up the PL to try progress his career, top marks for trying.yes i agree, but then he/we shouldnt have to open doors or bend rules that he closed himself because it suits should we?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Theres a massive gulf between the two leagues. I was under the impression the only massive gulfs in British Speedway were between the ears of Starman and Morrisey Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 of course he is.yes i agree, but then he/we shouldnt have to open doors or bend rules that he closed himself because it suits should we?? What doors have been opened or rules bent? None. If Cook had no ambition he would still be in the PL so it's no big issue. Or it shouldn't be. The BSPA are enforcing a rule (no rider riding for the same night tracks) despite the fact others riders are doing it. (Dan Bewley rides for Edinburgh and Belle Vue both on same nights ) so it stinks of hypocrisy. The only saving grace is that Cook has been allowed to ride for a different PL club on a different race night - nothing wrong with that in the slightest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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