kingbee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 But you wouldn't have a team at all as it would go to the wall in weeks. Think how offended the Coventry OAPs would be at having to leave their homes on a Thursday night and having to pay £20 to get in to facilitate the appearance of a GP star who may or may not turn up. Don't worry about the oap they have stopped going already thanks to Horton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 If Jason Garrity doesn't perform, he will end up back at reserve, if he doesn't, surely his decision was the correct one? (As it stands now) If the moving out of reserve changes had of been known when Garrity made his decision to not be a draft reserve, his decision might, just might have been different...... Not at all, because of reserves are riding against top draft riders initially then are going to be racing against the likes of Klindt when they are replaced in the main body of the team by a high scoring draft rider. The damage was done by not convincing Garrity to do 4 meetings at reserve and then signing King as 3rd heatleader. By now Garrity would have been in the main team and Woryna or King would be at reserve... Its all the more bizarre they went down this route as last season they had the right idea when it came to team building, a strong reserve, a strong middle order... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Bachelor for Tungate? Would be harsh on Tungate, but if that is something that is a possibility it is certainly worth considering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) You lot are talking like Woryna has been riding like a wobbling novice!!! What has he done (not done!) to warrant all this "get rid of the pole now" syndrome? From what I've read on updates and on hear, he was doing fine until his crash (by the way, he's been a very lucky boy) That hand injury looked like something from a very poor butchers shop.... As for King, well, don't know why he's performing like a wobbling novice at times either, but when he's moved down to number 4, his rides will be marginally easier, and should bounce back as he excels as a second string normally.... Edited May 3, 2016 by Shale Searcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 You lot are talking like Woryna has been riding like a wobbling novice!!! What has he done (not done!) to warrant all this "get rid of the pole now" syndrome? From what I've read on updates and on hear, he was doing fine until his crash (by the way, he's been a very lucky boy) That hand injury looked like something from a very poor butchers shop.... As for King, well, don't know why he's performing like a wobbling novice at times either, but when he's moved down to number 4, his rides will be marginally easier, and should bounce back as he excels as a second string normally.... You've answered your own question re Woryna. He's done fine, but the only way we can get King to number 4 is by replacing Woryna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 You lot are talking like Woryna has been riding like a wobbling novice!!! What has he done (not done!) to warrant all this "get rid of the pole now" syndrome? He's done nothing. 4 meeting (6 with the Elite Shield) and he's done nothing. Whats he scored? 7 (form 6), 5,4,4,3,5,3(from 3). Why would you keep that if you can being in a 7 pointer? We have 3 points to play with can't replace the reserves (EDR/draft rules), there are not 10 point men to replace KK or Bomber, Garrity is well liked and steadily plodding. That means one of King or Woryna has to go. What 9 point man is out there to replace King? And as bad as King is he's averaging over a point more than Woryna who has apparently "done well" - and thats from heat leader, replace Woryna and King drops to second string where he flourished in 2015 - you know, the season where we finished 2nd in the league and only injuries to our two most difficult to replace riders killed off our play-off hopes. So who would you get rid of and why? As I see it, Bombers scoring often improves as a season progresses, KK is KK, who the hell knows! King IS a good second string but shouldn't have been signed as the heat leader (should have kept Joonas), Jason is ok enough at second string, Sarj started the season terrible for both the Bees and Witches but has found a little bit of form in the last couple of week and Josh Bates is as wonderfully inconsistent from ride-to-ride as anyone can be but IS a decent little rider. Even Woryna for a 19 year old lad taking his first rides in the UK isn't bad but it's more how do you fit him into the team than why shouldn't you drop him. I don't think we're a million miles away. People say, "it'll take more than one change" - last season we lost 60-30 at Leicester in a challenge, made one change and won there about 50-40 3(?) weeks later. One change can make a huge difference. It could be enough to at least give us hope that a play-off place can be fought for rather than we battle with Leicester for 7th! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Bachelor for Tungate?No way can't see he will be made welcome by some of the Budgie faithful no problem for me Troy we all know he has real ability consistency is the problem. What about Musielak could he be a option a real outside shout i know and would he make a real difference.? You've answered your own question re Woryna. He's done fine, but the only way we can get King to number 4 is by replacing Woryna. The lad has real ability but the shape of this team does him no favours if he is released someone else will reap the rewards in the long term as i think there is a decent rider in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 No way can't see he will be made welcome by some of the Budgie faithful no problem for me Troy we all know he has real ability consistency is the problem. What about Musielak could he be a option a real outside shout i know and would he make a real difference.? Somehow we need to get Killer in for the play offs. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Troy is a Lynn rider this year ....... what I thought anyway ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Troy is a Lynn rider this year ....... what I thought anyway ..... Yes he is & your very welcome to him😀 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 He's done nothing. 4 meeting (6 with the Elite Shield) and he's done nothing. Whats he scored? 7 (form 6), 5,4,4,3,5,3(from 3). Why would you keep that if you can being in a 7 pointer? We have 3 points to play with can't replace the reserves (EDR/draft rules), there are not 10 point men to replace KK or Bomber, Garrity is well liked and steadily plodding. That means one of King or Woryna has to go. What 9 point man is out there to replace King? And as bad as King is he's averaging over a point more than Woryna who has apparently "done well" - and thats from heat leader, replace Woryna and King drops to second string where he flourished in 2015 - you know, the season where we finished 2nd in the league and only injuries to our two most difficult to replace riders killed off our play-off hopes. So who would you get rid of and why? As I see it, Bombers scoring often improves as a season progresses, KK is KK, who the hell knows! King IS a good second string but shouldn't have been signed as the heat leader (should have kept Joonas), Jason is ok enough at second string, Sarj started the season terrible for both the Bees and Witches but has found a little bit of form in the last couple of week and Josh Bates is as wonderfully inconsistent from ride-to-ride as anyone can be but IS a decent little rider. Even Woryna for a 19 year old lad taking his first rides in the UK isn't bad but it's more how do you fit him into the team than why shouldn't you drop him. I don't think we're a million miles away. People say, "it'll take more than one change" - last season we lost 60-30 at Leicester in a challenge, made one change and won there about 50-40 3(?) weeks later. One change can make a huge difference. It could be enough to at least give us hope that a play-off place can be fought for rather than we battle with Leicester for 7th! Excellent summary of the current predicament. Whatever changes you make to the 1-5 will always see you having the 2 weakest reserves and reserves help you win regardless what the top 5 do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 You lot are talking like Woryna has been riding like a wobbling novice!!! What has he done (not done!) to warrant all this "get rid of the pole now" syndrome? From what I've read on updates and on hear, he was doing fine until his crash (by the way, he's been a very lucky boy) That hand injury looked like something from a very poor butchers shop.... As for King, well, don't know why he's performing like a wobbling novice at times either, but when he's moved down to number 4, his rides will be marginally easier, and should bounce back as he excels as a second string normally.... He is a victim of circumstance, he was signed on a 5 point average, when we could have signed a rider up to around 7 points. However riders of that ilk were in sparse supply as we required them to not be a double upper. As for king, he is performaing exactly how he did while at heat leader last year, cant believe they let JK go. Although with the speed that his deal with Wolves was done suggests he didnt fancy hanging around for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Excellent summary of the current predicament. Whatever changes you make to the 1-5 will always see you having the 2 weakest reserves and reserves help you win regardless what the top 5 do. True but a stronger top 5 gives us a chance of wining at home, and that's what matters if you want a decent crowd. He is a victim of circumstance, he was signed on a 5 point average, when we could have signed a rider up to around 7 points. However riders of that ilk were in sparse supply as we required them to not be a double upper. As for king, he is performaing exactly how he did while at heat leader last year, cant believe they let JK go. Although with the speed that his deal with Wolves was done suggests he didnt fancy hanging around for us. It also means that we are running RR with Garrity and the reserves due to his low average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Brandon may have held 12000 fans 30 years ago, but not a chance now. 5000 tops. Health and safety and all that jazz. Probably, but I don't think we need to worry too much about that as the only way 5000 Speedway fans would be in the stadium these days would be if the GP ever returned. I was just pointing out the space available all the way round the stadium whereas Monmore Green only uses the home straight so it's hard to judge. How we need those 2 nights racing only to get riders to race here arghhhh, why have the promoters waited! Perhaps because it still wouldn't work and the riders would have to come up with a different excuse not to ride here? Don't worry about the oap they have stopped going already thanks to Horton You keep saying that but how many OAP's, apart from yourself, do you truthfully know have stopped going? All the ones I've got to know over the years are still attending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Yes he is & your very welcome to him He'll be OK .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Somehow we need to get Killer in for the play offs. Have you forgot how bad he was in last year's play offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Probably, but I don't think we need to worry too much about that as the only way 5000 Speedway fans would be in the stadium these days would be if the GP ever returned. I was just pointing out the space available all the way round the stadium whereas Monmore Green only uses the home straight so it's hard to judge. Perhaps because it still wouldn't work and the riders would have to come up with a different excuse not to ride here? You keep saying that but how many OAP's, apart from yourself, do you truthfully know have stopped going? All the ones I've got to know over the years are still attending. I could tell you at least a couple of dozen I know persanly that have stopped going .I'm not going to know every oap in the stadium am I I presume Horton could tell you if he's truthfully ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Bates and Sarj averages are low because the bulk of there meeting have been against the strongest pairings. Id suggest a signing soon before they face weaker pairings as there averages will improve as the season goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Have you forgot how bad he was in last year's play offs No but he is always worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 No way can't see he will be made welcome by some of the Budgie faithful no problem for me Troy we all know he has real ability consistency is the problem. What about Musielak could he be a option a real outside shout i know and would he make a real difference.? Currently the balance of the team is wrong. We need a heatleader which will mean that Grajczonek is at secondstring and will allow Sedgmen and Wright to swap places at reserve for the rest of the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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