Ben91 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 The fact that Carl Wilkinson is an Elite League second string says it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Rosco says in this weeks SS they didn't spend enough time on it at the AGM and got it all wrong. They get everything bloody wrong and I have it on good authority from somewhere who was there the point about EDR,s moving to heat leader roles and vice versa was raised and discussed. The simple and common sense answer is to immediately change to the PL race format, it will then level out and produce averages that EVERYONE can understand and work with. Just out of interest who thought the EL race format up anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 They get everything bloody wrong and I have it on good authority from somewhere who was there the point about EDR,s moving to heat leader roles and vice versa was raised and discussed. The simple and common sense answer is to immediately change to the PL race format, it will then level out and produce averages that EVERYONE can understand and work with. Just out of interest who thought the EL race format up anyway. There's discussed & disgust, perhaps Chinese whispers. It's obvious if they discussed it, they didn't see the pitfalls. Further more at least the tier 1 EDR riders should have been in their EL av's order for the pick at the AGM, the grading was a joke! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Whilst it would be wrong to call all promoters clueless, clearly a majority are!Thick? Biased? Both maybe?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Further more at least the tier 1 EDR riders should have been in their EL av's order for the pick at the AGM, the grading was a joke! Well, that wouldn't have benefitted a certain team so was definitely a non-starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 There's discussed & disgust, perhaps Chinese whispers. It's obvious if they discussed it, they didn't see the pitfalls. Further more at least the tier 1 EDR riders should have been in their EL av's order for the pick at the AGM, the grading was a joke! No they knew the risks apparently just clearly didn't think it would happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) I do wonder if it's only supporters, the referee and the odd team manager who actually take a proper overview of matches and how the formats work. After all, the promoter's taking care of the business on the day/night, sorting the cash out, topping it up if necessary, the riders are far too involved in their racing, and the team manager's tactical requirements amount to one tactical ride and when to use a reserve so he's more likely to be dealing with the riders. He'll be keeping an eye on the score but he can't necessarily take in the full nuances. So it's left to those who have the time to follow the meeting properly - the spectators to see how formats actually play out. The referees will as well but obviously they're not going to speak out publicly. I'm obviously not saying that overall the fan knows best - there are many key aspects of meetings that we're not privy to, but there are some aspects where we are the only ones who aren't too busy to actually see the results of these rush decisions or are defending them afterwards to cover our backsides. Someone said they couldn't understand the fuss over reserves moving up - the reserves he knew weren't bothered. I wonder how they feel after a few meetings of facing up to three heat-leaders a race rather than fellow FTRs and the odd second string? It's fascinating to hear the promotion of reserves was a last-minute suggestion. I wonder who made the suggestion and was the timing quite deliberate? Edited May 2, 2016 by rmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 I do wonder if it's only supporters, the referee and the odd team manager who actually take a proper overview of matches and how the formats work. And if you do question it (and turn out to be right!) you're called thick, biased or both by one of the senior guys at the BSPA. For that reason the sport will never stop trundling on from crisis to crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) And if you do question it (and turn out to be right!) you're called thick, biased or both by one of the senior guys at the BSPA. For that reason the sport will never stop trundling on from crisis to crisis. If you have problems seeing the bigger picture then you tend to resent those that do. The mantra at the BSPA has always been "If you haven't got money to throw away, shut up." Edited May 2, 2016 by rmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 I'm not sure how riders will progress in this sport unless they are givien a greater challenge The current format is flawed however Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 I'm not sure how riders will progress in this sport unless they are givien a greater challenge The current format is flawed however There's a difference between giving riders a fair chance to progress and the situation that we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Update (9th May averages) Most teams stay the same. King's Lynn replace Rory with Batchelor taking their team total to 40.38 Wolves have Howarth, JK & Bech as heatleaders, Lindgren & Thorssell as 2nd strings and Masters & Clegg at reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 All these changes & Kyle Newman in his 6th season at reserve stays their after being completely outshone by Adam Ellis Well, he is nowhere near as good as Garrity and Worrall you see!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzafl Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Well, he is nowhere near as good as Garrity and Worrall you see!! he has also missed meetings due to injury Edited May 11, 2016 by Dazzafl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 New figures released today. Anyone want a laugh??? Bjarne Pedersen as of the 16th May will be Poole's No'6 reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) It is what it is, teams & fans alike will just have to deal with it this season as I can't see how you can change things mid season unfortuantely. The promotors of each team need to look at how they've built their teams respectivily in order to maximise the current rules, clearly some have done this more than most. Admittedly I think that the new rules aren't right, if they wanted to allow the reserve to get official averages then they should have reverted back to the race format used previously so that the reserves were not protected. That would allow more realistic averages. Edited May 12, 2016 by hyabb17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) Some interesting changes for teams from 16th May (it's hard to take this season seriously) Belle Vue - Richie Worrall moves to reserve whilst His brother moves to a 2nd string. Coventry - Woryna moves to reserve and Bates moves in to the main team King's Lynn - no change Lakeside: No change Leicester - no change Poole - Pedersen moves to reserve and Ellis moves back to reserve whilst Newman finally moves in to the top 5 Swindon - surprisingly no change as apparently Tungate is only a 4 average still. Wolves- Bech moves to reserve! Whilst Lindgren becomes a heatleader & Howarth a 2nd string. Edited May 12, 2016 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 New figures released today. Anyone want a laugh??? Bjarne Pedersen as of the 16th May will be Poole's No'6 reserve Unbelievable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 They have the wrong figure for Bjarne I think. So it'll be Buckowski in reserve. BV wont change until a week after stevie has his 2nd away meeting. Tungate will get an average in a weeks time as he has now done 4 home and 4 away. As has Sedgmen. So Tungate moves into the 1-5, not sure what's Sedgmens average is and if it's him or Wright who drops to reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 They have the wrong figure for Bjarne I think. So it'll be Buckowski in reserve. BV wont change until a week after stevie has his 2nd away meeting. Tungate will get an average in a weeks time as he has now done 4 home and 4 away. As has Sedgmen. So Tungate moves into the 1-5, not sure what's Sedgmens average is and if it's him or Wright who drops to reserve. They have made the re assessment of green sheet averages simple to understand haven't they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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