Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Poole seem to be struggling away from home quite badly so far this season. Thankfully we also look quite dominant at home, but we'll certainly need to buck our ideas up to make it four titles in a row. Holder's form away from Wimbourne Road is diabolical. The problem with replacing him is that there are not too many riders that would probably want to come to the UK and ride for basically a whole British season. I'd love to suggest Magic, but guessing his average is too high. Lindback would be a more feasible option I'd imagine. *I'm not calling for Holder to be sacked here, just discussing the difficulty of replacing an underperforming No.1. Have to say Hans Andersen has been fantastic. Am enjoying him back in Poole colours. Keep Rollin' Hansii!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted May 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Would that be the same "Australian champion" who he beat in heat 5?Because Kurtz ran out of fuel on the last bend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 On our way back and well done to Wolves. Must now be clear favourites for the league after that demolition job on us. In a way good to get the mantle of favourites off our back. I knew we would lose this but not in such a pathetic way. The only riders that can come out of this with ang credit are Hans, Buck and Ellis who battled all night. Kerr was simply not a replacement for Newman while Bjarne was wobbling around like Davey Watt and doing just as badly. Main complaint though is Holder who clearly didnt want to be there. He gave the opposition a bike length out of the tapes in three of his four heats and in 13 was 60 metres behind third place. I hope Ellis is Ok a nasty crash and his bike went right over the first bend fence. Wolves the title favourites? Or Swindon? I'll have a pint of what your on Steve.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 And your not likely to if your having Greyhounds 3 hrs berfore your meeting starts... I do hope this is not a regular thing for you. [ /quote]wolves have had greyhound meetings on a Monday for as long as I can remember, I've been to a few of these meetings and the track staff have access to the track from mid morning onwards to there is no issue.Amazingly last night after all the rain we have had Sunday and Monday they were still watering the track at ten past seven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 As someone that publicly states the racing is the most important thing I'd say he has to be aware. He knows full well a winning team is the most important thing, the racing is a fall back when things aren't going well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 BSPA meeting today to discuss the clarification and properly-worded addendum to the rules regarding whether Adam Ellis can be replaced by an 8 point guest or a Tier 2 EDR no hoper at 3 for Wednesday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 It will be a no hoper at 3 as the organised bunch at the BSPA thought of this rule! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) Would love to be a fly on the wall for that one!!! BSPA TOWERS Mat Ford... Right boys, who is looking to replace this Adam Ellis then....? Buster... Ermmmm, is it Coventry? They'll have to use a 3 pointer then...No Buster, (points out Mat) it's Poole... Buster, well, they can have an 8 pointer replacement then.. Mat Ford with cheque book in hand, says any objections then? No, no, no No, ermmmm, to late Dave, No, no Ok, that sorted then.. Buster closes the meeting, all the other promoters go straight to the bank with their cheques!!!! Edited May 3, 2016 by Shale Searcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Each team has to have two FTRs - so if one is injured, he is replaced by another - surely! Thats the logical, maybe even moral argument but not what the rules say! BSPA meeting today to discuss the clarification and properly-worded addendum to the rules regarding whether Adam Ellis can be replaced by an 8 point guest or a Tier 2 EDR no hoper at 3 for Wednesday? This one could be great fun. When is an EDR not an EDR? When is a 1-5 rider not a 1-5 rider? Can Kai Huckenbeck replace a rider that started in the 1-5 but is now in reserve for Lynn? None of it is clear at all. Even I don't know and I like to think Im someone with a reasonable understanding of the rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 what a cock up the AGM really was.. wtf is going on, surely you carnt expect to get for example KK to guest for ellis that really would put the icing on the cake of stupid rules.. we need a fully transparent AGM so that we the fans know exactly what promoters drafted what rules and which ones voted it in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Would that be the same "Australian champion" who he beat in heat 5?You wish he ran out of fuel .Know all. Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Thats the logical, maybe even moral argument but not what the rules say! This one could be great fun. When is an EDR not an EDR? When is a 1-5 rider not a 1-5 rider? Can Kai Huckenbeck replace a rider that started in the 1-5 but is now in reserve for Lynn? None of it is clear at all. Even I don't know and I like to think Im someone with a reasonable understanding of the rules! 17.4.2 says a re-declared team must include 2 EDRs. The supplementary rule that appears on the EDR list says that Tier 1s can be replaced by anyone lower on the list or a British PL rider with a lower PL average and no EL 1-5 place. After Robbogate the MC added an EL average to the restrictions. To me, all that means that an EDR is always an EDR and if you're not an EDR you're a "1-5" irrespective of actual riding position, which the team line up rules only refer to by MA. Note to the BSPA: Adding a rule to a rule added to the rule in the rule book probably isn't the best way to do things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 In the interests of British Speedway/Poole, please insert answer here...(__________________________________________________________) .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 the rules as they stand are as you say fred,but there will be an ammendant today,should be an edr replacement,maybe a compromise and a 6pt pl rider allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Question is when does an EDR become a proper 1-5er, if they are truly riding to their average? Still think they shouldn't have counted the protected heats when working out their averages, also think they should've started afresh on 3 pt averages this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 He knows full well a winning team is the most important thing, the racing is a fall back when things aren't going well. I'm not disputing that, however last year was pretty similar racing wise. It is certainly a question I will ask at the end of season talk in tho! You wish he ran out of fuel . Know all. Junior That was correct. Kurtz was comfortably clear when his bike suddenly stopped just coming out the 3rd bend and fell. Max then had the time to catch him. Besides one ride (in heat 12) he was completely out his depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 surely they must of discussed this scenario at the AGM? By letting the draft riders get an average and move up ,what happens if they get injured, is it still another draft rider from the list only as per rules last season? the point is the averages are inflated , should a team be able to capitalise on it and get a guest thats in a different standard to the injured rider? or will commonsense prevail and teams have a pick another off the draft to guest as per the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) Can't the BSPA get anything right? The EL league table on their website is upside down Edited May 3, 2016 by Wolfsbane 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Poole seem to be struggling away from home quite badly so far this season. Thankfully we also look quite dominant at home, but we'll certainly need to buck our ideas up to make it four titles in a row. Holder's form away from Wimbourne Road is diabolical. The problem with replacing him is that there are not too many riders that would probably want to come to the UK and ride for basically a whole British season. I'd love to suggest Magic, but guessing his average is too high. Lindback would be a more feasible option I'd imagine. *I'm not calling for Holder to be sacked here, just discussing the difficulty of replacing an underperforming No.1. Have to say Hans Andersen has been fantastic. Am enjoying him back in Poole colours. Keep Rollin' Hansii!! His home form isnt good either. Paid Max home to Swindon was a good start. Then scores of 8 and 6 with only 2 heat wins in 8 races. Not what a number one should score at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) Many years ago a rather awful daytime TV show was hosted by Robert Kilroy-Silk called "Share or Shaft". Clips often emerge in TV satire shows. Why is it that everytime I think of that programme I think of a BSPA meeting? One prominent announcer used to refer to his promoter as 'Sideways Sid' not because he'd been a broadsider but he never looked you in the eye and could not be straight. Eventually when you twist and twist the rules you get a fiasco like this. Sadly it was always coming and I think we know it's going to be a heat-leader replacing Ellis, not an FTR don't we? "All in the best interests of (my) speedway". (EDIT - It was called 'Shafted' and ran for 4 episodes. Wikipedia has the story. Any resemblance to any sporting bodies is coincidental. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafted ) Edited May 3, 2016 by rmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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