Tai's Training Schools

[waiheke1]

Gundersen was mentored by olsen. Nielsen by Mauger.

Edited September 15, 2016 by waihekeaces1

[chris4gillian]

So as this thread now shows, some mentoring by a previous World Champion was/is instrumental in many cases. And that's my point (to Star Lady in particular) no matter what spin you try to put on it.

 

In light of that, I go back to what I said previously. Why should Tai run training schools without the support or backing of our governing body? That support is what's lacking since he made his statement regarding a training school.

 

Mauger, Moore, and Briggs (multi world champions) still rode for Great Britain

 

Under the Commonwealth ruling they did, but they were not British so that's completely irrelevant. Tai has been completely clear that he wants to bring on the BRITISH youngsters.

 

No that's your opinion one which you are perfectly entitled to hold, repeating it ad nauseum does not make it a fact.

 

Read the statement again, it is a fact. Whether you agree or not is your prerogative.

Edited September 15, 2016 by chris4gillian

[Star Lady]

So as this thread now shows, some mentoring by a previous World Champion was/is instrumental in many cases. And that's my point (to Star Lady in particular) no matter what spin you try to put on it.

 

In light of that, I go back to what I said previously. Why should Tai run training schools without the support or backing of our governing body? That support is what's lacking since he made his statement regarding a training school.

 

 

 

No your original point was that the BSPA should back Tai's training schools.

 

Multiple posters have now told you that previous champions did not need to go to training schools, they improved their skills by watching their betters/elders both on track and their actions in the pits. No doubt many of them had multiple conversations with them during and after meetings as well. Of course as I pointed out earlier young British riders have been very limited in their ability to do this with Woffinden because of his not riding in the UK.

 

I have never said Tai Woffinden should not run training schools, my objection is your insistence that the BSPA should back them when they back the perfectly good Poultec scheme.

[robert72]

So as this thread now shows, some mentoring by a previous World Champion was/is instrumental in many cases. And that's my point (to Star Lady in particular) no matter what spin you try to put on it.

 

In light of that, I go back to what I said previously. Why should Tai run training schools without the support or backing of our governing body? That support is what's lacking since he made his statement regarding a training school.

 

 

Under the Commonwealth ruling they did, but they were not British so that's completely irrelevant. Tai has been completely clear that he wants to bring on the BRITISH youngsters.

 

 

Read the statement again, it is a fact. Whether you agree or not is your prerogative.

You keep harping on saying why should TW run a training school (he offered) without the backing of the BSPA (others do it without help) and you still don't get it that TW only interest is himself.

 

I remember a top Danish rider that TW will never be as successful as saying he wanted to put something back into British speedway by running a training school for the British kids he hired the track and put his money and time into it.

 

Tai only cares about British speedway when it suits his needs.

[chris4gillian]

 

No your original point was that the BSPA should back Tai's training schools.

 

Multiple posters have now told you that previous champions did not need to go to training schools, they improved their skills by watching their betters/elders both on track and their actions in the pits. No doubt many of them had multiple conversations with them during and after meetings as well. Of course as I pointed out earlier young British riders have been very limited in their ability to do this with Woffinden because of his not riding in the UK.

 

I have never said Tai Woffinden should not run training schools, my objection is your insistence that the BSPA should back them when they back the perfectly good Poultec scheme.

 

There is a rather big difference in what Tai was offering to what Poultec offer. One (Tai) is offering to mentor existing British riders from being league standard to take them forward to the international or potentially world stage. The other offers an introduction into speedway and teaches you what you need to know to learn the trade. That's a whole wold of difference. But keep on talking up Poultec as yes, they can offer what Tai can. NOT.

 

Multiple posters have told me what? Ha, ha!! In your own terms, multiple posters have also stated a number of historic world champions who were mentored by past world champions - which is what Tai was offering. Poultec cannot do that.

 

Goodness me, I cannot explain it any clearer.

[Gavan]

Mark Loram started on the grass and then went along to watch speedway at Canterbury. There he met a rider called Denzil Kent who took Mark under his wing and helped him along until he got to the age of 15 when his dad Paul knew Dave Pavitt at Hackney and Mark was able to get rides as a mascot there. In his early days Simon Wigg and Roland Danno used to run training sessions for the younger riders. Mark was a regular at these.

 

So you have to have a certain level of ability but most riders are guided and trained by other riders

[chris4gillian]

You keep harping on saying why should TW run a training school (he offered) without the backing of the BSPA (others do it without help) and you still don't get it that TW only interest is himself.

 

I remember a top Danish rider that TW will never be as successful as saying he wanted to put something back into British speedway by running a training school for the British kids he hired the track and put his money and time into it.

 

Tai only cares about British speedway when it suits his needs.

 

Where was Tai yesterday then eh??? I'll give you a hint, at the British Under 19 Final where he was helping the kids.

Mark Loram started on the grass and then went along to watch speedway at Canterbury. There he met a rider called Denzil Kent who took Mark under his wing and helped him along until he got to the age of 15 when his dad Paul knew Dave Pavitt at Hackney and Mark was able to get rides as a mascot there. In his early days Simon Wigg and Roland Danno used to run training sessions for the younger riders. Mark was a regular at these.

 

So you have to have a certain level of ability but most riders are guided and trained by other riders

 

Come on, surely Poutec could've done that?! Cheers Gavan, another example of a world class rider teaching a younger British rider. That is what Tai wanted to do in a more official capacity to make it equal for ALL British youngsters. That's the point which is being missed.

[Gemini]

 

 

That is what Tai wanted to do in a more official capacity to make it equal for ALL British youngsters.

 

Presumably by being in a more official capacity he wanted payment? I suppose it all depends on how much and whether the BSPA could afford it?

[Star Lady]

You really don't get it do you C4G.

 

Tai can run his training schools, no one objects to it. If folk want to pay to participate that's their free choice. The objection is the BSPA backing it. They to my knowledge have never backed any individual riders training school (quite rightly IMHO).

 

I do not dispute that riders have always learnt from other more experienced/better riders, after all that's how all humans learn most skills. That does not mean they have to go a training school to do so.

 

Does Tai intend to teach these young British riders how to conduct themselves in interviews with the media? Poultec do and I'm pretty sure their teachings will be acceptable to far more people than Tai's examples of profanity in such situations

 

BTW you still haven't addressed the fact that British riders (of any standard) have been restricted in their ability to observe Tai racing in the UK and how he conducts himself in the pits.

 

edited to add

 

 

One (Tai) is offering to mentor existing British riders from being league standard to take them forward to the international or potentially world stage.

 

I believe that is exactly what Chris Harris has done this season, taking young British riders to GPs with him to allow them to gain from the experience. No backing from the BSPA just a desire to help youngsters. Nothing in the world to stop Tai doing the same

Edited September 15, 2016 by Star Lady

[Vincent Blachshadow]

 

Where was Tai yesterday then eh??? I'll give you a hint, at the British Under 19 Final where he was helping the kids.

 

Come on, surely Poutec could've done that?! Cheers Gavan, another example of a world class rider teaching a younger British rider. That is what Tai wanted to do in a more official capacity to make it equal for ALL British youngsters. That's the point which is being missed.

 

Yes, but he had to be here to do it and that is where Tai differs - he wasn't here (until the money stopped abroad, that is).

 

The initial post on this thread states:-

 

“I’m planning to hold a series of Tai Woffinden training schools for British youngsters through the summer,” he said.

 

That's 'through the summer'. Tai wasn't actually here 'through the summer'. Maybe a bone of contention with the BSPA.

Edited September 15, 2016 by Vincent Blackshadow

[Terry]

Mark Loram started on the grass and then went along to watch speedway at Canterbury. There he met a rider called Denzil Kent who took Mark under his wing and helped him along until he got to the age of 15 when his dad Paul knew Dave Pavitt at Hackney and Mark was able to get rides as a mascot there. In his early days Simon Wigg and Roland Danno used to run training sessions for the younger riders. Mark was a regular at these.

 

So you have to have a certain level of ability but most riders are guided and trained by other riders

 

Mark used to clock faster times in after meeting rides than Malcolm Simmons did during the main match in 86.

Amazing talent.

That was the only downside to dropping to NL in 88, having to lose Roland Danno, who everybody loved.

Does anyone know how he's doing these days?

[Gemini]

 

 

......Star Lady............Does Tai intend to teach these young British riders how to conduct themselves in interviews with the media?

 

Hope not judging by how he behaves. Perhaps he could get himself on one of the Poultec schemes.

[Hodgy]

Where was Tai yesterday then eh??? I'll give you a hint, at the British Under 19 Final where he was helping the kids.

 

He often attends meetings his future 'brother in law' is riding in.

[godmother]

He often attends meetings his future 'brother in law' is riding in.

how is Layne Cupitt progressing under Tai's tuition?

[martinmauger]

Gundersen was mentored by olsen. Nielsen by Mauger.

Indeed. Mauger also had an involvement with Mark Loram in 2000. As pointed put ex-World Champs don't seem to help along riders as they used to be, though Nielsen was Denmark team manager in this year's SWC. If Woffy does run training school(s) rider have nothing to lose just by listening to him....

[robert72]

how is Layne Cupitt progressing under Tai's tuition?

He has got the way TW looks spot on so who knows if the riding ability will follow but good luck to the lad.

[AlanF]

Gundersen was mentored by olsen. Nielsen by Mauger.

I know I am being pedantic, but if I recall correctly Nielsen was already arguably the best rider in the world when Mauger got involved. His work with Nielsen was more psychological in how to deal with the pressure of the actual world final itself.

[BWitcher]

I remember a top Danish rider that TW will never be as successful as saying he wanted to put something back into British speedway by running a training school for the British kids he hired the track and put his money and time into it.

 

 

 

 

Your jealousy has no limits does it!

 

Who was this Dane then? I know Jan O Pedersen was looking to run training schools.. but Tai is already more successful.

Edited September 15, 2016 by BWitcher

[waiheke1]

 

 

Your jealousy has no limits does it!

 

Who was this Dane then? I know Jan O Pedersen was looking to run training schools.. but Tai is already more successful.

Pretty sure it was Erik gundersen? I seem to recall him making repeated offers to help British youngsters, buy these offers were largely ignored.

 

Not sure you can argue at this stage that any dane was more successful than tai will ever be though.

I know I am being pedantic, but if I recall correctly Nielsen was already arguably the best rider in the world when Mauger got involved. His work with Nielsen was more psychological in how to deal with the pressure of the actual world final itself.

Correct.

[Dornier]

Seeing as he was busting to tell us about Taitoo`s Training Schools perhaps Philip Rising should give us an update as to where we are with them, I`ve got my bike and I`ve got my Kevlars only need the dates and venues now.