heathen chemistry Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) why not just make it the reserves have to be brits under 25 , and perhaps have a maximum combined average for the 2 at the start of the season, one reserve race . the other race to include second strings and no tacticals allowed Edited June 7, 2016 by heathen chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 doesn't say that at all does it "I didnt actually get into the chair until a few hours before the final AGM" i.e the last day To say it doesn't say that at all and then quote him saying just that is idiotic. Why are you adding words to what he said? There is no need to, other than to fabricate a meaning that you're happy with. If you don't like the way he tells it take it up with him. Don't shoot the messenger! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 To say it doesn't say that at all and then quote him saying just that is idiotic. Why are you adding words to what he said? There is no need to, other than to fabricate a meaning that you're happy with. If you don't like the way he tells it take it up with him. Don't shoot the messenger! You put he was chairman BEFORE the AGM. It's does not say that at all before you start going of on one He was voted in on the last day, that is fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) To say it doesn't say that at all and then quote him saying just that is idiotic. Why are you adding words to what he said? There is no need to, other than to fabricate a meaning that you're happy with. If you don't like the way he tells it take it up with him. Don't shoot the messenger! What he calls "the final AGM" was a separate meeting that had to be called to ratify decisions made at the main AGM. Their constitution only allowed them to vote in November, which they hadn't noticed when they planned the AGM for earlier than usual in October. Edited June 7, 2016 by Alan Jones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 That would be a totally nuts idea. That's one way to encourage teams full of foreigners with 1 high averaged Brit in it. Coventry just have Harris, Bates hits an 8 average from reserve then Harris with a 7.28 average moves to reserve That is more nuts than the current system And Poole would have Ellis and Newman at reserve all season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 What he calls "the final AGM" was a separate meeting that had to be called to ratify decisions made at the main AGM. Their constitution only allowed them to vote in November, which they hadn't noticed when they planned the AGM for earlier than usual in October. Put it better than me That last day of the final AGM was the 3rd November. That was day he was promoted to chairman. Not before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 You put he was chairman BEFORE the AGM. It's does not say that at all before you start going of on one He was voted in on the last day, that is fact. No Buster said that, take it up with him. What he calls "the final AGM" was a separate meeting that had to be called to ratify decisions made at the main AGM. Their constitution only allowed them to vote in November, which they hadn't noticed when they planned the AGM for earlier than usual in October. So the boneheaded decisions were only rubber stamped once Buster was chairman at the final AGM. Put it better than me That last day of the final AGM was the 3rd November. That was day he was promoted to chairman. Not before But Buster used the word before. He's probably cleared things up with you personally after you took him to task for using that word incorrectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 That would be a totally nuts idea. That's one way to encourage teams full of foreigners with 1 high averaged Brit in it. Coventry just have Harris, Bates hits an 8 average from reserve then Harris with a 7.28 average moves to reserve That is more nuts than the current system No more nutty than some of the current rules lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 If the edr was supposed to be for brits, perhaps only brits could drop down, no brits in your top 5? Tough. That's actually not a bad idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted June 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 It was ridiculous that converted Pl averages were used, and yes Poole benefitted. But Poole Imo gain less from having a holder or Pedersen at reserve than a team with weak reserves benefits. It's questionable Imo whether holder atcreserve strengthenso Poole compared to Newman being in that position. Either way, by the time we get to the playoffs I think most riders will gave had time in each slot and averages should actually bear some reflection of ability. Would Kyle be capable of scoring a 21 point maximum at reserve which Holder would & should do if he was reserve?. Can't say how having a reserve taking 7 rides & scoring big points would weaken a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Would Kyle be capable of scoring a 21 point maximum at reserve which Holder would & should do if he was reserve?. Can't say how having a reserve taking 7 rides & scoring big points would weaken a team. Would Newman be capable of scoring a 15 point maximum in the top 5? No, but, on top form Holder would. Newman is capable of winning the reserves races. There's your 21 points. You want your heatleaders in the heatleader positions so that they can win those key heats. Do you feel Swindon would be better with Doyle at reserve? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) How's about come the end of the season, ALL points and rides taken by a number 6 or number 7, and all points scored and rides taken by any 1 to 5, that were gained riding at 6 or 7, including any reserve replacements, reserve swaps in any of the protected heats to be expunged from the racing records before averages for team building are finalised??? Edited June 9, 2016 by Shale Searcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) If the BSPA vote to change the rules because Poole have said its a good idea the rest of the BSPA are mad. Poole would be one of the biggest winners. Pooles original 1-5 are all capable of 7 or 8 in the 1-5 and then 10 in reserve (assuming 4 rides for simplicity) while Poole original reserve are capable of the same 10 in reserve but only 2 or 3 in the 1-5. Matt making out like he cares about the kids but really he just cares about himself. Once again, the issue is NOT riders moving into the 1-5, that has always happened. Its having a format that "protects" reserves so the reserves get inflated averages Edited June 10, 2016 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Matt Ford's statement said that he 'supported any moves to change the rule mid-season'! Surely that pre-supposes that someone else has already proposed it for him to be in support of it?! Incidentally, today Kyle Newman suggests reverting back to the 15 heat format before the EDRs were introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Matt Ford's statement said that he 'supported any moves to change the rule mid-season'! Surely that pre-supposes that someone else has already proposed it for him to be in support of it?! Incidentally, today Kyle Newman suggests reverting back to the 15 heat format before the EDRs were introduced. Don`t forget that the promoters I`m sure wanted that new format so that the Main wage earners-ie heat leaders raced amongst themselves more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Don`t forget that the promoters I`m sure wanted that new format so that the Main wage earners-ie heat leaders raced amongst themselves more. Which was great until some of them start dropping to reserve or even second string or that reserves go to heat leader meaning the oppositions heat leaders have an easy time of it. A very short term gain for far more longer term pain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Like the two over 8 pointers suited one season, but not the next for some reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Thing is by the 2nd half of the season most riders will have ridden in 2 or 3 different positions and so averages should start to show a level of normalcy. It's the start of the season where averages are all over the place, especially with edr not having a "rolling" component from prior years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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