Grachan Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Not everyone fiddled the EDR system to make sure they had EDR riders who could hold their own in the top 5. As ever, if it's okay for Poole it's got to be okay for everyone else. What price Holder in a reserve berth in time for the play-offs? What benefit would Poole get from Holder being in reserve? Surely they would be stronger if was riding as a heatleader and beating heatleaders, while having Newman and Ellis at reserve capable of beating other reserves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) So why didn't they have an EGM in say January e.g. to rectify/amend as it clear by then it was going to be a problem. After all they quickly changed the system for wilko to join the stars, robbo not to be able to guest and last week the ht 15 and 15 metre rule were changed. Anything is possible. Edited June 7, 2016 by brewer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 What benefit would Poole get from Holder being in reserve? Surely they would be stronger if was riding as a heatleader and beating heatleaders, while having Newman and Ellis at reserve capable of beating other reserves. Exactly.. Ford is being very clever, he knows most folks haven't grasped the system and is looking to gain support to revert to a system he knows darn well would favour his team immensely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Exactly.. Ford is being very clever, he knows most folks haven't grasped the system and is looking to gain support to revert to a system he knows darn well would favour his team immensely. And the thing is, at least 50% of people on here are moaning that Poole get an advantage under the current system. It's no wonder Poole do well, Ford is one of the few (only?) promoters to understand the impact of different rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Chapman is the no nonsense straight talking outspoken kind of guy who will sort out this mess that is UK speedway. Its blokes like him we needed in the boardroom when all these stupid rules were being voted through. A no nonsense straight talking outspoken kind of guy would have told them where to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 But Chapman surely was in the room when all these decisions were voted through? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 But Chapman surely was in the room when all these decisions were voted through? Must of had his mouth full 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Chapman is the no nonsense straight talking outspoken kind of guy who will sort out this mess that is UK speedway. Its blokes like him we needed in the boardroom when all these stupid rules were being voted through. A no nonsense straight talking outspoken kind of guy would have told them where to go. So why when he was voted in at the end of the meeting, by the way an arse about face way of doing things, did he not call for a reflection period and then call another meeting to sort out the rules that has just been voted in and even some of the other ill thought out ones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Lol! As if you don't get the point, oh hang on, you really don't get the point do you? If I was in the same room as only 8 other people and they were going to do something stupid I'd mention it, and if they still didn't get it I'd draw them a bleedin picture! Why didn't Chapman do that? He seems to be distancing himself from the decisions he was involved in now it's all going predictably wrong. It is just possible he did voice that opinion and got over ruled. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Lol! As if you don't get the point, oh hang on, you really don't get the point do you? If I was in the same room as only 8 other people and they were going to do something stupid I'd mention it, and if they still didn't get it I'd draw them a bleedin picture! Why didn't Chapman do that? He seems to be distancing himself from the decisions he was involved in now it's all going predictably wrong. I knew that's what you was going to say and wanted you to knock it up in writing. Some others keeps saying the same thing so you was in the room during the conversations I take it? We don't know whether he did or didn't do that though do we? Knowing Chapman though he most certainly would have got his view across. If you have 1 person that sees the impending picture and seven others don't it's quite obvious which direction things will go in. The majority rule, simple as. Chapman from the very start disagreed with the outcome of what was put through for 2016. The only promoter to say so just a day or two after the AGM. No other promoter mentioned any issues until they raised there ugly head during the season. You're right though, it certainly does look like he's distanced himself from it. He may be doing the whole "I told you so, you deal with the crap" thing for all we know. We don't hear much from him as chairman do we? He has made a promise to fix all the wrongs for the 2017 season. That's the season as chairman I'll judge him and I'm prepared to wait. All thing's 2016 should be squarely pointed at then chairman Alex Harkess who's tenure has been a disaster but nobody mentions him. He's gotten away with murder over all things 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Yep, possible? It's like being in the back of a minibus which is being driven off a cliff and not convincing the driver and the rest of the occupants that it is a bad idea. Having been shot down he then talks them into letting him do the driving but when he takes over he duly drives over the cliff as agreed and only starts moaning out loud again on the way down! Doh! What did Chapman say "just a day or two after the agm"? There must be a link. http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.29764 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 chapman has to be given a fair chance to improve things,will take a lot more than one agm ! has any promoter stated they supported the edr changes they all seem to be saying "not me,not me i was against it" its a mess we have to live with this yr,hoping as another poster put the averages have some semblance of sanity come the play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 there will be a few riders with inflated averages , which could render them unemployable next season if a top 5 rider ie pedersen, karlsson, klindt, was to have a spell at reserve in the last few matches of the season there average will be ridiculous compared to what they started on the same could be said for ellis, maybe newman, and a few others are they then going to scrap all this seasons averages and start 2017 on 2015 starting figures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.29764 The bit I found interesting was where he said he took over the chair BEFORE the AGM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 The bit I found interesting was where he said he took over the chair BEFORE the AGM. doesn't say that at all does it "I didn’t actually get into the chair until a few hours before the final AGM" i.e the last day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) I am not sure the “falsely high averages” issue has to be that big an issue in the winter if it is managed correctly. The thing that can be used as a caveat to riders with falsely high averages will be the riders with falsely low averages due to their racing position. I assume irrespective of where riders averages end (falsely high or falsely low) that most will find a place as there is only a certain amount of riders who a: want to race in Britain and are b: good enough to race in the top flight, it is likely there will be collateral and one or two on the side-lines at the start, but that’s no different to most other seasons. The key is how riders are distributed next season (same as always) it wouldn’t be ideal if a side named, for arguments sake Paule were able to sign all the falsely low averaged riders while Leenster were left with the higher averaged riders. Edited June 7, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 If the edr was supposed to be for brits, perhaps only brits could drop down, no brits in your top 5? Tough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 there will be a few riders with inflated averages , which could render them unemployable next season if a top 5 rider ie pedersen, karlsson, klindt, was to have a spell at reserve in the last few matches of the season there average will be ridiculous compared to what they started on the same could be said for ellis, maybe newman, and a few others are they then going to scrap all this seasons averages and start 2017 on 2015 starting figures? Why would it matter if it was the last few matches of the season they spent at reserve - rolling average is based on 20 meetings.The same problem has been in place the last two seasons since this heat format was introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 If the edr was supposed to be for brits, perhaps only brits could drop down, no brits in your top 5? Tough. That would be a totally nuts idea. That's one way to encourage teams full of foreigners with 1 high averaged Brit in it. Coventry just have Harris, Bates hits an 8 average from reserve then Harris with a 7.28 average moves to reserve That is more nuts than the current system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 I appreciate it was just for examples sake but… If a side has a rider on a 7.28 average at reserve it isn’t going to matter much who it is they will be absolutely battering everyone and if a rider has gained an 8.00 average from reserve they absolutely should be moving up into the team… How about just going back to a model closer to the PL where any rider can be reserve and anyone in the top 5 based on form, but just with a little bit more structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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